The most recent and perhaps most disturbing aspect of the abduction phenomenon that I’ve looked into is the issue
of hybrid beings. These beings, probably genetically engineered with a mix of human and alien characteristics, seem
able to ma¬neuver in our human world. It is an undercurrent I have noticed for a long time, and one I do not think I
wanted to face.
Both David Jacobs and I have written about the produc¬tion of hybrid babies, a program we felt was some kind of
basic alien agenda. I first began to see it in 1984, some 22 years ago, and by the time my book Intruders was
published, in 1987, I had uncovered many of these cases. In fact, Kathie Davis, whom I wrote about in Intruders,
described a small, obviously not-fully human, child which she was made to feel was her own.
The Barney and Betty Hill case marked the beginning of the public’s knowledge of abductions, and it is important to
understand that even in this early case there was a reproductive aspect. When I heard about the Hills in 1966, I did
not understand that apparently ova were retrieved from Betty Hill’s body by way of a needle put into her navel. What
we also did not know at the time—it was not made public and was seen as too delicate to put in John Fuller’s book,
Interrupted Journey— was that a sperm sample was taken from her husband, Barney Hill.
of hybrid beings. These beings, probably genetically engineered with a mix of human and alien characteristics, seem
able to ma¬neuver in our human world. It is an undercurrent I have noticed for a long time, and one I do not think I
wanted to face.
Both David Jacobs and I have written about the produc¬tion of hybrid babies, a program we felt was some kind of
basic alien agenda. I first began to see it in 1984, some 22 years ago, and by the time my book Intruders was
published, in 1987, I had uncovered many of these cases. In fact, Kathie Davis, whom I wrote about in Intruders,
described a small, obviously not-fully human, child which she was made to feel was her own.
The Barney and Betty Hill case marked the beginning of the public’s knowledge of abductions, and it is important to
understand that even in this early case there was a reproductive aspect. When I heard about the Hills in 1966, I did
not understand that apparently ova were retrieved from Betty Hill’s body by way of a needle put into her navel. What
we also did not know at the time—it was not made public and was seen as too delicate to put in John Fuller’s book,
Interrupted Journey— was that a sperm sample was taken from her husband, Barney Hill.
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ABSTRACT
(This article is based on a presentation given March 3, 2006, at the International UFO Congress held in Laughlin,
Nevada.) Ever since the 1966 disclosure of the Hill abduction, researchers have had an abundance of corroborating
cases that point to a systematic human-alien breeding program that is producing hybrid beings. Though actual
coupling may be forced upon the abductee, most accounts describe harvesting of sperm and ova. Female abductees
have reported seeing hybrid infants and “nurseries.” These hybrids have now matured and are reportedly driving
cars, shopping, and conducting strange “job interviews” while maintaining their alien abilities of mind control and
telepathy. The interlocking data point to alien infiltration into our world for goals unknown.
(This article is based on a presentation given March 3, 2006, at the International UFO Congress held in Laughlin,
Nevada.) Ever since the 1966 disclosure of the Hill abduction, researchers have had an abundance of corroborating
cases that point to a systematic human-alien breeding program that is producing hybrid beings. Though actual
coupling may be forced upon the abductee, most accounts describe harvesting of sperm and ova. Female abductees
have reported seeing hybrid infants and “nurseries.” These hybrids have now matured and are reportedly driving
cars, shopping, and conducting strange “job interviews” while maintaining their alien abilities of mind control and
telepathy. The interlocking data point to alien infiltration into our world for goals unknown.
BUDD HOPKINS has
been a UFO investigator
for almost 30 years. He
has investigated more
than 700 cases and
interviewed or hypnotically
regressed more than
1000 witnesses. He is the
author of four highly
influential books,
including Missing Time,
1981, Intruders, 1987,
Witnessed, 1996, and
Sight Unseen, 2003 (Carol
Rainey, co-author).
A pioneer in ufology,
Budd is responsible for
bringing the UFO
abduction phenomena to
the attention of the public
and the UFO research
community. In 1989, he
founded the Intruders
Foundation, a witness
support organization.
Budd makes his home in
New York City.
His website is
www.intrudersfoundation.or
g
His email address is
ifcentral@aol.com
been a UFO investigator
for almost 30 years. He
has investigated more
than 700 cases and
interviewed or hypnotically
regressed more than
1000 witnesses. He is the
author of four highly
influential books,
including Missing Time,
1981, Intruders, 1987,
Witnessed, 1996, and
Sight Unseen, 2003 (Carol
Rainey, co-author).
A pioneer in ufology,
Budd is responsible for
bringing the UFO
abduction phenomena to
the attention of the public
and the UFO research
community. In 1989, he
founded the Intruders
Foundation, a witness
support organization.
Budd makes his home in
New York City.
His website is
www.intrudersfoundation.or
g
His email address is
ifcentral@aol.com
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make of them. (Some researchers chose to call these beings “Nordics.”)
In those early years we were given reports from abduct¬ees who were shown strange-looking little babies, and it
became clear these tiny infants were being presented to abductees to hold and touch. And in 1983, with the Kathie
Davis case, I had the first real breakthrough. After Kathie’s improbable pregnancy disap¬peared, she was re-
abducted and shown a small child for which she felt enormous affection. She said the child looked partly like us and
partly like the aliens. The child she described had straw-like, very blond hair that did not evenly cover her scalp. Her
head was too big; she had odd and very large eyes, but relatively normal features otherwise.
At the time we did not understand why the aliens were producing these beings with a mix of human and alien
features. Was it for them, or for us, or for reasons we could not guess? Were they going to live on earth? Populate
someplace else? It took a long time for us to make sense of these new data.
I began to get these cases from all over. A Turkish “mother” of a hybrid child she was shown, who might or might not
have been partially hers, sent me a drawing of the infant. But, she kept saying, “There’s something the matter with
the head.” The hair was not right. Some of these children apparently grow up to adulthood because through the
1980s and into the 1990s we also received a number of adult hybrid reports. These beings were often described as
female with, sometimes, very black eyes and, sometimes, more human eyes. And they all had odd hairdos, as if they
were wearing, as several abductees said, “cheap wigs.”
We also got reports in which male abductees were ap¬parently made to have sexual relations with these female
be¬ings. The males were paralyzed and were mounted by the alien females, who perhaps were trying to use their
feminine hairdos to look more like human females and thus to make the whole sexual act easier to carry out. Some of
these cases are difficult to handle from the point of view of the researcher, requiring far more tact than other cases
we’ve looked into.
In another example, I received a report from a man from Lebanon who awoke with a human-like female on top of him
engaged in sexual activity. He was unable to move. It is very im¬portant to realize that emotionally these abductees
have a difficult time coping with such experiences. They are not sexually excited in a normal manner. They are
appalled, often repelled, and help¬less, and it appears the whole thing is carried out through some control the aliens
have over our neurological system. The man found this creature sitting astride him, with another female off to one
side. He had the feeling in his horror that this astride figure was instructing the other one as to how to have sexual
intercourse with a human male. Some of these apparently hybrid creatures can almost pass as human in our world;
their bodies and faces are quite human; however they may have been created. The point is they can operate, to some
extent, here in our world.
I investigated the reports of two women who described seeing an adult male hybrid wearing glasses. Each made a
draw¬ing of the hybrid, and the two drawings are amazingly similar. Both portray a strange-looking man, with sharp
cheeks, wearing oddly-shaped glasses. The two women independently drew the same person. Some of these hybrid
beings have been seen by more than three people at once and they are described by the wit¬nesses the same way.
As far as hybrids operating in the human world, we have many reports of them driving automobiles, shopping in
stores, and behaving more or less naturally in other mundane places, but manifesting the kinds of powers aliens
seem to have, i.e., the ability to control minds, and to communicate telepathically. The powers the gray aliens possess
in the world can entail a complex series of repeated similar events, as if these adult hybrids do not really understand
our world and our behavior but are trying to learn exactly how we act and what we say, all of which gives us an
uneasy feeling of what their agenda might be leading to.
There definitely is strong evidence that an infiltration into human society is taking place. There is no sign this
infiltra¬tion is evil, or malevolent, or anything like that; it is as if they want to accommodate themselves to earthly
ways, earthly man¬ners. They want to learn how we do things. I could have illus¬trated that these odd types go far
back in the history of the UFO phenomenon, but some of these wilder aspects were bypassed by me and, I think, by
David Jacobs and others, because it is extremely difficult to deal with and to explain. It is not something any of us
want to be true.
The fact is we received these extraordinary stories from people we believed when they talked about the other (less
extraordinary) aspects of their abduction experiences. One case from my book Sight Unseen follows this pattern: A
young woman had many abduction experiences—she was, incidentally, a very, very solid witness—and about ten
years ago she mentioned she “had a very strange thing happen once with a job interview.”
She said, “I don’t know if it’s connected or not to my abduction experiences.” She had been 16 years old at the time
and one day she was with some girlfriends at a pizza parlor. A man came over, a normal-looking, gray haired man,
and he said, “Would you like a summer job?” It was the beginning of summer vacation for her and she said yes. He
told her “I’ll pick you up at your home tomorrow at 2:00 and we’ll go for a job
interview.” She said, “Wonderful,” but she’s not sure that she gave the man her address.
At 2:00 the man pulled up in a normal car, and this very innocent 16-year-old told her mother she was going off with
some man to a job interview. The mother, oddly, said, “Fine.” She told me her mother was usually very protective of
her and at the time she thought, “Oh, I’m a lucky girl, my mother doesn’t care,” and she went out and got in the car
with the man. However, she said, “The minute I got in the car I felt very tiny. I felt very strange.” And they started
driving.
He said to her such and such must have been very dif¬ficult when you were three years old and your grandmother
died and so forth, one thing after another, showing he knew virtually everything about her life, including very personal
things, such as an abuse incident with someone in the family, an incident she had never told anyone about. She was
getting very frightened but felt helpless and weak.
The man, who seemed to be in his fifties, said to her, “I know what you did with your boyfriend yesterday.” On that
day she had lost her virginity in a private room. She had no idea what was going on. How did this stranger know
about what had hap¬pened the day before?
As they arrived at a small office building she got out of the car with this man and, instead of running for help or
thinking, “I’ve got to get away from this guy,” she just dutifully followed him up the stairs of the small building. That
the power to con¬trol is built into these beings we know from the abductions. The aliens have the ability to make
people see things that are not there and to make them do things they would never otherwise do.
She went into an office that was completely empty. She said there might have been a chair and a wastebasket,
virtually nothing else—little to suggest it was a business. The man told her she was going to have a wonderful job
and it was going to involve “routing units” or something equally vague. She had been asked nothing about her
previous job experience and the man never mentioned what the company was, what the hours would be, the salary
or anything like that, but still she stood there duti¬fully. Then he said, “All you have to do to get this job is to do
with me what you did with your boyfriend yesterday.”
The previous day’s lovemaking had taken place in a closed room and she just could not believe that anything like this
could be known. She refused the man’s proposal, saying, “I can’t do that” and backed away from him. He made no
move toward her. He did not attempt to seduce her. When she said no, he seemed disappointed. She said, “I think I’
d better go.” They went out, down the stairs, and she inexplicably got back in the car with him. He drove out into the
country and she realized she was not going home—this is in New Jersey—and she became more and more frightened.
He pulled into a field and she saw what looked like a little round glass house in the field. She told me she sat in the
car while the man got out and went into the little glass house. I said, “I imagine you locked the doors of the car or
you got out and ran,” and she said no, she did not lock the doors, she did not get out and run, she just sat there.
When the man came out of the little round house, he was with a group of small gray aliens. They came to the car,
one thing or another happened—this part is still unexplored—and eventually he took her home.
By the time she got home she had no memory of the field, the glass house, or the aliens. She remembered the job
inter¬view, but put it out of her mind. Years later, she told me what she remembered of these events. We looked
into it, and out came this bizarre account with the gray-haired man cooperating completely with the aliens, leading her
to the round house and not behaving the way any normal man would behave.
Then I got another phone call from somebody in Ohio, a woman who had had many abduction experiences and with
whom I had worked. She said, “You know, I once had this funny job interview. I got asked to come to this particular
place for an interview.” I asked her, “Did you see an ad in the paper or how did you hear about the job?” She said, “It’
s funny, I don’t know how I knew about it.”
I asked her if somebody called her. She said, “No, I just sort of knew where I’d go or I had instructions, I don’t
remem¬ber.” She went to a place she said was unfurnished and like a factory no one used anymore. There, similar
things happened to her as happened to the woman from New Jersey.
After that I got another call from a young woman, also with many abduction experiences, who was around age 18
when the following took place: When she went to her “job interview” she found an odd, nervous-looking woman
seated at a desk. “I would like to use the ladies room. Where is it?” she said. At this, the woman at the desk looked
panicked and shrugged. She did not appear to know where the restroom was! There was no furniture in the room
except a desk, a wastebasket and perhaps a telephone. There were not even any pieces of paper.
The young woman was ushered into an office where a man was sitting behind another desk. He stared at her and she
told me, “Budd, I fell asleep while he was talking to me about this job.” I told her that I had never heard of anybody
falling asleep during a job interview. She said, “There was something about his voice—I fell asleep. I was so
embarrassed when I woke up. I felt very uncomfortable and for some reason had to adjust my underwear.”
Obviously, various other things had happened during this “job interview.”
I received a call recently from a man in Canada who had read my book, Sight Unseen, and who has experienced many
abductions. He said, “I had a job interview years ago that I’ve never really understood. But when I read your book I
thought, ‘Boy, that’s what happened to me.’”
He was age 19 or 20 when it happened. Now in his for¬ties, married with children, he is a very intelligent man who is
presently a technician and an inventor who works with computers. As a young man, he recalls being asked to go to a
job inter¬view. He does not remember how he knew about the interview, but he went to an office in Toronto.
When he got there he found a couple waiting to inter¬view him. All that was in the room, he said, were two chairs,
and they had not been unpacked, as if they had been just brought from the store. The “interview” was conducted
standing up. He said the two were really beautiful people; a handsome man and a gorgeous woman. “They treated me
like they were thrilled to meet me,” he said. “They told me I would have to go to Philadelphia for this interview. They
were just so nice that even though they told me nothing about it, I felt great—so I went. Somehow I went to
Philadelphia. I don’t know how I got there.”
Coming out of the Philadelphia airport, he saw a stretch limousine parked. The driver called him over and said he had
come to pick him up. I asked if the driver was holding up a sign or he had earlier been told to look for a limo. He said
“I don’t remember. I just have these powerful memories of pieces of it.”
He got in the car and was driven a long distance, prob¬ably, he thought, to somewhere in New Jersey. He got out
and went into a building. The two people who had requested the inter¬view met him. In the building he saw offices
and some people. It was a big, open room with not many cubicles.
A man sat him down and started asking him questions about physics. He was studying physics at the time, but he
was in only his second year, and he felt extremely embarrassed because he did not know the answers to the
questions. He remembered quite vividly how hurt he felt at not being better at answering the technical questions.
Then it was time for him to leave. Again, there were no pieces of paper evident, no discussion about the work, no
salary mentioned, and nothing about hours or location. He recalls three people escorting him out of the building.
During this incident he said one detail was extremely vivid: In the middle of this building was a room with walls that
went up to the ceiling—a kind of small, isolated room. The door to this room was open, and as they walked by he
looked in. He saw a door, a steel door, at the far side of the room which looked like the type of door found on a ship.
It looked like a battleship door with bolts around the sides and a sill, a little lift and corners around that, and above
the door was a large red light, which was on. He saw nothing else in this room.
He assumed the steel door must lead somewhere, and he remembers turning to the man next to him and saying,
“Cool,” as if this door was quite remarkable to the 19-year-old he was at the time. At the end of the “interview” with
all the physics questions, he went outside to the waiting limo and he doesn’t recall how he got home.
When he got home his mother remembered he had gone for a job interview because he had told her. He does not
know how long he was gone. He feels there are major gaps in his recollections, and that this might have been a whole
day event.
We do not know why these “job interviews” are going on. It has taken us a long time to realize that the hybrid
program is deliberate, repetitive and straightforward, and not just a series of random experiments.
There are other odd “hybrid events” that are difficult to understand and similar to the interview scenario. For
example, a young woman Dave Jacobs and I both worked with was taken into a room on board a craft. The aliens
brought in a tall, awkward-looking man who seemed basically human, but strange, and she said he wore a peculiar, ill-
fitting suit from another era.
A gray alien brought her over to this tall, gawky person who spoke telepathically, and rapidly asked her one question
after another, such as: When you go to work in the morning, what do you say to the people? What do you do first?
Do you have some kind of food when you go there? How do you work a computer? How do you punctuate
sentences? How do you work a copying machine? All this was asked in rapid succession.
She was stunned by these questions and obviously could not answer them in a simple manner. She also felt her
mental organization of thought was being picked up quickly by the tall, awkward man. He wanted to know the most
mundane things, again suggesting the hybrids need to learn how to operate in the real world, how to fit in. We have
many cases of an abductee being asked elementary questions as if the hybrids are intent on acquiring basic, simple
information.
Another thing we discovered is a situation in which an abductee is examined physically and then is ushered into
another part of the craft and confronted with a highly emotional situation.
For example, in a case from the mid-1980s, a man, after he was taken off the table, was brought into a room where a
normal human was tied to a chair. A gray alien handed the abductee a pistol and said, “This is a very evil man. You
must kill him.” The human in the chair pleaded and begged for his life. “They’re lying!” he said. “It’s not true! I am not
evil! You can’t do this!” The alien insisted the human was evil and said the abductee would not be let off the ship
unless he did what he was told.
During hypnosis this man was weeping. He described to me that he had finally pointed the gun at the alien and said,
“If anybody’s going to be killed here, it’s going to be you because I can’t do this.” At that instant, the human tied to
the chair stood up, and he was an alien. There was no chair. The man looked down at what he was holding in his
hands, and it was not a gun. They moved him then into another room without comment.
We have many reports of this kind, which Dave Jacobs has referred to as “staging,” suggesting that the aliens want
to find out about human emotions, as opposed to the physical dimension of trying to find out how human bodies
work. When they create these staged situations which elicit emotions, or thought reactions, from the abductee, it
may be that telepathically they pick up those reactions, perhaps retaining them, and perhaps are able to produce
these reactions where appropriate in the human real world.
One aspect of all this I find touching has to do with the little hybrid babies. When Kathie Davis told me 26 years ago
about being handed a small child, a hybrid toddler, to hold—she wanted to hug it—the most embarrassing and sad
thing to her was that the child seemed afraid of her. Kathie is a big woman and the only people this little toddler had
seen were skinny aliens, so the child tried to pull away from Kathie. But as Kathie held her, she felt a wave of love for
it, and she realized the aliens were staring at her as if they were absorbing her response, learning how a normal
human relates to an offspring.
I feel that the aliens, who probably have not produced babies the human way for a long time, have had their maternal
and paternal feelings atrophy. It seems to me that when they hand these little babies or toddlers to humans, they
want to absorb—perhaps by osmosis or telepathy or some other way—emotions of parenthood and caring for
children. It is something we possess they seem to be envious of and want to possess. If they desire to move into our
world and produce offspring of their own by normal birth, they have to learn how to treat a baby.
I have told the following story before, but it is worth repeating. Of the abductees I have worked with who were
presented with these little babies or toddlers, they notice that the children’s hair is spotty or sparse, and standing
up. Three abductee mothers have said to me under hypnosis, “Their hair looks awful. No one’s taking care of their
hair. No one’s brushing their hair. They don’t understand hair.” These seem to be the natural responses of real
women, real mothers, who want to nurture and groom these odd little beings.
It was touching to me that perhaps the aliens are watching this and the hybrids are learning about grooming and
other mundane things that have to be done. In the job interviews, they could be learning about the pressures a
person is under in these circumstances, perhaps learning how to go through job interviews themselves if they’re
going to, as it were, infiltrate corporations.
So we have a thousand questions, but as Dave Jacobs has said, we also have tremendous amounts of data, all
interlocking, which point in the direction of infiltration, even though we do not know what the final goal is going to be.
The mystery is still there.
In those early years we were given reports from abduct¬ees who were shown strange-looking little babies, and it
became clear these tiny infants were being presented to abductees to hold and touch. And in 1983, with the Kathie
Davis case, I had the first real breakthrough. After Kathie’s improbable pregnancy disap¬peared, she was re-
abducted and shown a small child for which she felt enormous affection. She said the child looked partly like us and
partly like the aliens. The child she described had straw-like, very blond hair that did not evenly cover her scalp. Her
head was too big; she had odd and very large eyes, but relatively normal features otherwise.
At the time we did not understand why the aliens were producing these beings with a mix of human and alien
features. Was it for them, or for us, or for reasons we could not guess? Were they going to live on earth? Populate
someplace else? It took a long time for us to make sense of these new data.
I began to get these cases from all over. A Turkish “mother” of a hybrid child she was shown, who might or might not
have been partially hers, sent me a drawing of the infant. But, she kept saying, “There’s something the matter with
the head.” The hair was not right. Some of these children apparently grow up to adulthood because through the
1980s and into the 1990s we also received a number of adult hybrid reports. These beings were often described as
female with, sometimes, very black eyes and, sometimes, more human eyes. And they all had odd hairdos, as if they
were wearing, as several abductees said, “cheap wigs.”
We also got reports in which male abductees were ap¬parently made to have sexual relations with these female
be¬ings. The males were paralyzed and were mounted by the alien females, who perhaps were trying to use their
feminine hairdos to look more like human females and thus to make the whole sexual act easier to carry out. Some of
these cases are difficult to handle from the point of view of the researcher, requiring far more tact than other cases
we’ve looked into.
In another example, I received a report from a man from Lebanon who awoke with a human-like female on top of him
engaged in sexual activity. He was unable to move. It is very im¬portant to realize that emotionally these abductees
have a difficult time coping with such experiences. They are not sexually excited in a normal manner. They are
appalled, often repelled, and help¬less, and it appears the whole thing is carried out through some control the aliens
have over our neurological system. The man found this creature sitting astride him, with another female off to one
side. He had the feeling in his horror that this astride figure was instructing the other one as to how to have sexual
intercourse with a human male. Some of these apparently hybrid creatures can almost pass as human in our world;
their bodies and faces are quite human; however they may have been created. The point is they can operate, to some
extent, here in our world.
I investigated the reports of two women who described seeing an adult male hybrid wearing glasses. Each made a
draw¬ing of the hybrid, and the two drawings are amazingly similar. Both portray a strange-looking man, with sharp
cheeks, wearing oddly-shaped glasses. The two women independently drew the same person. Some of these hybrid
beings have been seen by more than three people at once and they are described by the wit¬nesses the same way.
As far as hybrids operating in the human world, we have many reports of them driving automobiles, shopping in
stores, and behaving more or less naturally in other mundane places, but manifesting the kinds of powers aliens
seem to have, i.e., the ability to control minds, and to communicate telepathically. The powers the gray aliens possess
in the world can entail a complex series of repeated similar events, as if these adult hybrids do not really understand
our world and our behavior but are trying to learn exactly how we act and what we say, all of which gives us an
uneasy feeling of what their agenda might be leading to.
There definitely is strong evidence that an infiltration into human society is taking place. There is no sign this
infiltra¬tion is evil, or malevolent, or anything like that; it is as if they want to accommodate themselves to earthly
ways, earthly man¬ners. They want to learn how we do things. I could have illus¬trated that these odd types go far
back in the history of the UFO phenomenon, but some of these wilder aspects were bypassed by me and, I think, by
David Jacobs and others, because it is extremely difficult to deal with and to explain. It is not something any of us
want to be true.
The fact is we received these extraordinary stories from people we believed when they talked about the other (less
extraordinary) aspects of their abduction experiences. One case from my book Sight Unseen follows this pattern: A
young woman had many abduction experiences—she was, incidentally, a very, very solid witness—and about ten
years ago she mentioned she “had a very strange thing happen once with a job interview.”
She said, “I don’t know if it’s connected or not to my abduction experiences.” She had been 16 years old at the time
and one day she was with some girlfriends at a pizza parlor. A man came over, a normal-looking, gray haired man,
and he said, “Would you like a summer job?” It was the beginning of summer vacation for her and she said yes. He
told her “I’ll pick you up at your home tomorrow at 2:00 and we’ll go for a job
interview.” She said, “Wonderful,” but she’s not sure that she gave the man her address.
At 2:00 the man pulled up in a normal car, and this very innocent 16-year-old told her mother she was going off with
some man to a job interview. The mother, oddly, said, “Fine.” She told me her mother was usually very protective of
her and at the time she thought, “Oh, I’m a lucky girl, my mother doesn’t care,” and she went out and got in the car
with the man. However, she said, “The minute I got in the car I felt very tiny. I felt very strange.” And they started
driving.
He said to her such and such must have been very dif¬ficult when you were three years old and your grandmother
died and so forth, one thing after another, showing he knew virtually everything about her life, including very personal
things, such as an abuse incident with someone in the family, an incident she had never told anyone about. She was
getting very frightened but felt helpless and weak.
The man, who seemed to be in his fifties, said to her, “I know what you did with your boyfriend yesterday.” On that
day she had lost her virginity in a private room. She had no idea what was going on. How did this stranger know
about what had hap¬pened the day before?
As they arrived at a small office building she got out of the car with this man and, instead of running for help or
thinking, “I’ve got to get away from this guy,” she just dutifully followed him up the stairs of the small building. That
the power to con¬trol is built into these beings we know from the abductions. The aliens have the ability to make
people see things that are not there and to make them do things they would never otherwise do.
She went into an office that was completely empty. She said there might have been a chair and a wastebasket,
virtually nothing else—little to suggest it was a business. The man told her she was going to have a wonderful job
and it was going to involve “routing units” or something equally vague. She had been asked nothing about her
previous job experience and the man never mentioned what the company was, what the hours would be, the salary
or anything like that, but still she stood there duti¬fully. Then he said, “All you have to do to get this job is to do
with me what you did with your boyfriend yesterday.”
The previous day’s lovemaking had taken place in a closed room and she just could not believe that anything like this
could be known. She refused the man’s proposal, saying, “I can’t do that” and backed away from him. He made no
move toward her. He did not attempt to seduce her. When she said no, he seemed disappointed. She said, “I think I’
d better go.” They went out, down the stairs, and she inexplicably got back in the car with him. He drove out into the
country and she realized she was not going home—this is in New Jersey—and she became more and more frightened.
He pulled into a field and she saw what looked like a little round glass house in the field. She told me she sat in the
car while the man got out and went into the little glass house. I said, “I imagine you locked the doors of the car or
you got out and ran,” and she said no, she did not lock the doors, she did not get out and run, she just sat there.
When the man came out of the little round house, he was with a group of small gray aliens. They came to the car,
one thing or another happened—this part is still unexplored—and eventually he took her home.
By the time she got home she had no memory of the field, the glass house, or the aliens. She remembered the job
inter¬view, but put it out of her mind. Years later, she told me what she remembered of these events. We looked
into it, and out came this bizarre account with the gray-haired man cooperating completely with the aliens, leading her
to the round house and not behaving the way any normal man would behave.
Then I got another phone call from somebody in Ohio, a woman who had had many abduction experiences and with
whom I had worked. She said, “You know, I once had this funny job interview. I got asked to come to this particular
place for an interview.” I asked her, “Did you see an ad in the paper or how did you hear about the job?” She said, “It’
s funny, I don’t know how I knew about it.”
I asked her if somebody called her. She said, “No, I just sort of knew where I’d go or I had instructions, I don’t
remem¬ber.” She went to a place she said was unfurnished and like a factory no one used anymore. There, similar
things happened to her as happened to the woman from New Jersey.
After that I got another call from a young woman, also with many abduction experiences, who was around age 18
when the following took place: When she went to her “job interview” she found an odd, nervous-looking woman
seated at a desk. “I would like to use the ladies room. Where is it?” she said. At this, the woman at the desk looked
panicked and shrugged. She did not appear to know where the restroom was! There was no furniture in the room
except a desk, a wastebasket and perhaps a telephone. There were not even any pieces of paper.
The young woman was ushered into an office where a man was sitting behind another desk. He stared at her and she
told me, “Budd, I fell asleep while he was talking to me about this job.” I told her that I had never heard of anybody
falling asleep during a job interview. She said, “There was something about his voice—I fell asleep. I was so
embarrassed when I woke up. I felt very uncomfortable and for some reason had to adjust my underwear.”
Obviously, various other things had happened during this “job interview.”
I received a call recently from a man in Canada who had read my book, Sight Unseen, and who has experienced many
abductions. He said, “I had a job interview years ago that I’ve never really understood. But when I read your book I
thought, ‘Boy, that’s what happened to me.’”
He was age 19 or 20 when it happened. Now in his for¬ties, married with children, he is a very intelligent man who is
presently a technician and an inventor who works with computers. As a young man, he recalls being asked to go to a
job inter¬view. He does not remember how he knew about the interview, but he went to an office in Toronto.
When he got there he found a couple waiting to inter¬view him. All that was in the room, he said, were two chairs,
and they had not been unpacked, as if they had been just brought from the store. The “interview” was conducted
standing up. He said the two were really beautiful people; a handsome man and a gorgeous woman. “They treated me
like they were thrilled to meet me,” he said. “They told me I would have to go to Philadelphia for this interview. They
were just so nice that even though they told me nothing about it, I felt great—so I went. Somehow I went to
Philadelphia. I don’t know how I got there.”
Coming out of the Philadelphia airport, he saw a stretch limousine parked. The driver called him over and said he had
come to pick him up. I asked if the driver was holding up a sign or he had earlier been told to look for a limo. He said
“I don’t remember. I just have these powerful memories of pieces of it.”
He got in the car and was driven a long distance, prob¬ably, he thought, to somewhere in New Jersey. He got out
and went into a building. The two people who had requested the inter¬view met him. In the building he saw offices
and some people. It was a big, open room with not many cubicles.
A man sat him down and started asking him questions about physics. He was studying physics at the time, but he
was in only his second year, and he felt extremely embarrassed because he did not know the answers to the
questions. He remembered quite vividly how hurt he felt at not being better at answering the technical questions.
Then it was time for him to leave. Again, there were no pieces of paper evident, no discussion about the work, no
salary mentioned, and nothing about hours or location. He recalls three people escorting him out of the building.
During this incident he said one detail was extremely vivid: In the middle of this building was a room with walls that
went up to the ceiling—a kind of small, isolated room. The door to this room was open, and as they walked by he
looked in. He saw a door, a steel door, at the far side of the room which looked like the type of door found on a ship.
It looked like a battleship door with bolts around the sides and a sill, a little lift and corners around that, and above
the door was a large red light, which was on. He saw nothing else in this room.
He assumed the steel door must lead somewhere, and he remembers turning to the man next to him and saying,
“Cool,” as if this door was quite remarkable to the 19-year-old he was at the time. At the end of the “interview” with
all the physics questions, he went outside to the waiting limo and he doesn’t recall how he got home.
When he got home his mother remembered he had gone for a job interview because he had told her. He does not
know how long he was gone. He feels there are major gaps in his recollections, and that this might have been a whole
day event.
We do not know why these “job interviews” are going on. It has taken us a long time to realize that the hybrid
program is deliberate, repetitive and straightforward, and not just a series of random experiments.
There are other odd “hybrid events” that are difficult to understand and similar to the interview scenario. For
example, a young woman Dave Jacobs and I both worked with was taken into a room on board a craft. The aliens
brought in a tall, awkward-looking man who seemed basically human, but strange, and she said he wore a peculiar, ill-
fitting suit from another era.
A gray alien brought her over to this tall, gawky person who spoke telepathically, and rapidly asked her one question
after another, such as: When you go to work in the morning, what do you say to the people? What do you do first?
Do you have some kind of food when you go there? How do you work a computer? How do you punctuate
sentences? How do you work a copying machine? All this was asked in rapid succession.
She was stunned by these questions and obviously could not answer them in a simple manner. She also felt her
mental organization of thought was being picked up quickly by the tall, awkward man. He wanted to know the most
mundane things, again suggesting the hybrids need to learn how to operate in the real world, how to fit in. We have
many cases of an abductee being asked elementary questions as if the hybrids are intent on acquiring basic, simple
information.
Another thing we discovered is a situation in which an abductee is examined physically and then is ushered into
another part of the craft and confronted with a highly emotional situation.
For example, in a case from the mid-1980s, a man, after he was taken off the table, was brought into a room where a
normal human was tied to a chair. A gray alien handed the abductee a pistol and said, “This is a very evil man. You
must kill him.” The human in the chair pleaded and begged for his life. “They’re lying!” he said. “It’s not true! I am not
evil! You can’t do this!” The alien insisted the human was evil and said the abductee would not be let off the ship
unless he did what he was told.
During hypnosis this man was weeping. He described to me that he had finally pointed the gun at the alien and said,
“If anybody’s going to be killed here, it’s going to be you because I can’t do this.” At that instant, the human tied to
the chair stood up, and he was an alien. There was no chair. The man looked down at what he was holding in his
hands, and it was not a gun. They moved him then into another room without comment.
We have many reports of this kind, which Dave Jacobs has referred to as “staging,” suggesting that the aliens want
to find out about human emotions, as opposed to the physical dimension of trying to find out how human bodies
work. When they create these staged situations which elicit emotions, or thought reactions, from the abductee, it
may be that telepathically they pick up those reactions, perhaps retaining them, and perhaps are able to produce
these reactions where appropriate in the human real world.
One aspect of all this I find touching has to do with the little hybrid babies. When Kathie Davis told me 26 years ago
about being handed a small child, a hybrid toddler, to hold—she wanted to hug it—the most embarrassing and sad
thing to her was that the child seemed afraid of her. Kathie is a big woman and the only people this little toddler had
seen were skinny aliens, so the child tried to pull away from Kathie. But as Kathie held her, she felt a wave of love for
it, and she realized the aliens were staring at her as if they were absorbing her response, learning how a normal
human relates to an offspring.
I feel that the aliens, who probably have not produced babies the human way for a long time, have had their maternal
and paternal feelings atrophy. It seems to me that when they hand these little babies or toddlers to humans, they
want to absorb—perhaps by osmosis or telepathy or some other way—emotions of parenthood and caring for
children. It is something we possess they seem to be envious of and want to possess. If they desire to move into our
world and produce offspring of their own by normal birth, they have to learn how to treat a baby.
I have told the following story before, but it is worth repeating. Of the abductees I have worked with who were
presented with these little babies or toddlers, they notice that the children’s hair is spotty or sparse, and standing
up. Three abductee mothers have said to me under hypnosis, “Their hair looks awful. No one’s taking care of their
hair. No one’s brushing their hair. They don’t understand hair.” These seem to be the natural responses of real
women, real mothers, who want to nurture and groom these odd little beings.
It was touching to me that perhaps the aliens are watching this and the hybrids are learning about grooming and
other mundane things that have to be done. In the job interviews, they could be learning about the pressures a
person is under in these circumstances, perhaps learning how to go through job interviews themselves if they’re
going to, as it were, infiltrate corporations.
So we have a thousand questions, but as Dave Jacobs has said, we also have tremendous amounts of data, all
interlocking, which point in the direction of infiltration, even though we do not know what the final goal is going to be.
The mystery is still there.
With the Hill abduction, we should have gotten the point
that the aliens are primarily interested in human bodies, in
our physical properties. As time went on, we found the
aliens were taking samples of peoples’ tissues in addition to
what seemed to be in many, many cases, ova and sperm.
This alien interest in the human body is anything but
spiritual, contradicts the idea the aliens are benign beings
here to help the human race. Instead, they seem to have
their own agenda, which involves the produc¬tion of hybrid
beings.
Dave Jacobs and I also had early reports from abductees of
beings who looked quite different from the standard grays.
They did not have the typical big black alien eyes—some had
whites in their eyes—and their heads had a more human
shape. I have a series of drawings done in the early 1980s
of aliens that looked rather human—at least more human
than the standard gray head—but we did not know what to
that the aliens are primarily interested in human bodies, in
our physical properties. As time went on, we found the
aliens were taking samples of peoples’ tissues in addition to
what seemed to be in many, many cases, ova and sperm.
This alien interest in the human body is anything but
spiritual, contradicts the idea the aliens are benign beings
here to help the human race. Instead, they seem to have
their own agenda, which involves the produc¬tion of hybrid
beings.
Dave Jacobs and I also had early reports from abductees of
beings who looked quite different from the standard grays.
They did not have the typical big black alien eyes—some had
whites in their eyes—and their heads had a more human
shape. I have a series of drawings done in the early 1980s
of aliens that looked rather human—at least more human
than the standard gray head—but we did not know what to
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