Over the years the 1947 Roswell Incident has had it’s share of critics, skeptics and debunkers, and I’ve welcomed
them in most cases, hopeful that they could offer information that might be beneficial to finally understanding what
actually happened near Roswell in 1947. Too many times however the information they present is not factual, and for
several years I tried to discuss their points of view with them privately, hoping we could come to an agreement on the
information being discussed. I have since then changed my approach and now expose them publicly, as I’ve done in
past editorials about remarks made by Nancy Red Star, Phil Klass, Karl Pflock, James Bond Johnson, and others. The
Roswell Incident is hard enough to research without these type individuals continually spreading their beliefs without
any verifiable information to support their claims.
Several years ago Dave Thomas did a presentation at the Aztec, NM symposium and during the Q&A time after his
presentation, Stanton Friedman and I questioned many of the comments he had made, pretty well destroying his
claims. Dave is a physics and mathematics graduate of New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, and a senior
scientist at Quatro Corporation in Albuquerque. He is vice president and communications officer of New Mexico for
Science and Reason.
Based on his article entitled, Roswell Crash of 1947 “A Realistic View”, posted in the January, 2009 edition of Rob
McConnell’s ‘X’ Chronicle Newspaper, it is neither scientific, reasonable or realistic. The article does not state a date
when Thomas wrote it, however if it’s his current view of the Roswell Incident, nothing has changed since he did his
presentation at Aztec several years ago. This of course is typical, since their agenda is to ridicule and deny the facts
presented over the years.
them in most cases, hopeful that they could offer information that might be beneficial to finally understanding what
actually happened near Roswell in 1947. Too many times however the information they present is not factual, and for
several years I tried to discuss their points of view with them privately, hoping we could come to an agreement on the
information being discussed. I have since then changed my approach and now expose them publicly, as I’ve done in
past editorials about remarks made by Nancy Red Star, Phil Klass, Karl Pflock, James Bond Johnson, and others. The
Roswell Incident is hard enough to research without these type individuals continually spreading their beliefs without
any verifiable information to support their claims.
Several years ago Dave Thomas did a presentation at the Aztec, NM symposium and during the Q&A time after his
presentation, Stanton Friedman and I questioned many of the comments he had made, pretty well destroying his
claims. Dave is a physics and mathematics graduate of New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, and a senior
scientist at Quatro Corporation in Albuquerque. He is vice president and communications officer of New Mexico for
Science and Reason.
Based on his article entitled, Roswell Crash of 1947 “A Realistic View”, posted in the January, 2009 edition of Rob
McConnell’s ‘X’ Chronicle Newspaper, it is neither scientific, reasonable or realistic. The article does not state a date
when Thomas wrote it, however if it’s his current view of the Roswell Incident, nothing has changed since he did his
presentation at Aztec several years ago. This of course is typical, since their agenda is to ridicule and deny the facts
presented over the years.
CRITICS AND DEBUNKERS ARE STILL AT IT by Dennis Balthaser
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DENNIS BALTHASER
(pronounced Ball-thay-sir)
moved to Roswell in 1996
to pursue his interest in
Ufology, after retiring
from the Texas Highway
Department in El Paso,
with 33 years in civil
engineering.
Prior to that he served 3
years in a U.S. Army
engineering battalion.
He was the UFO
Investigator and served
on the Board of Directors
for the International UFO
Museum between 1996
and 1998. Today he is an
independent researcher,
investigator, journalist
and lecturer.
Dennis has done over
350 TV, radio and other
media interviews related
to and since the 50th
anniversary of the Roswell
Incident in July, 1997,
including; CNN, MTV, SCI-
FI, The TODAY show,
Dateline, Nightline, NBC,
ABC Nightly News, Jeff
Rense, Sightings on the
radio, Ted Loman’s Off
the Record, Rob
McConnell’s X-Zone Radio
Show, Art Bell’s Coast to
Coast AM;, Discovery
channel, National
Geographic and History
channel, to mention a few.
Dennis is a certified UFO
investigator with MUFON
(the Mutual UFO
Network), and is a board
member of the advisory
board for the Great
Pyramid of Giza Research
Association. His main
areas of research
comprise the 1947
Roswell Incident, Area 51,
Underground Bases and
the pyramids of Egypt.
He currently writes
editorials for 31 web sites
and UFO magazine,
pertaining to his research,
and works closely with
well-known researchers
Stanton Friedman, Frank
Warren, Scott Ramsey
and many others.
Dennis' award winning
web site www.
truthseekeratroswell.com
has had over one million
visitors since 1998.
(pronounced Ball-thay-sir)
moved to Roswell in 1996
to pursue his interest in
Ufology, after retiring
from the Texas Highway
Department in El Paso,
with 33 years in civil
engineering.
Prior to that he served 3
years in a U.S. Army
engineering battalion.
He was the UFO
Investigator and served
on the Board of Directors
for the International UFO
Museum between 1996
and 1998. Today he is an
independent researcher,
investigator, journalist
and lecturer.
Dennis has done over
350 TV, radio and other
media interviews related
to and since the 50th
anniversary of the Roswell
Incident in July, 1997,
including; CNN, MTV, SCI-
FI, The TODAY show,
Dateline, Nightline, NBC,
ABC Nightly News, Jeff
Rense, Sightings on the
radio, Ted Loman’s Off
the Record, Rob
McConnell’s X-Zone Radio
Show, Art Bell’s Coast to
Coast AM;, Discovery
channel, National
Geographic and History
channel, to mention a few.
Dennis is a certified UFO
investigator with MUFON
(the Mutual UFO
Network), and is a board
member of the advisory
board for the Great
Pyramid of Giza Research
Association. His main
areas of research
comprise the 1947
Roswell Incident, Area 51,
Underground Bases and
the pyramids of Egypt.
He currently writes
editorials for 31 web sites
and UFO magazine,
pertaining to his research,
and works closely with
well-known researchers
Stanton Friedman, Frank
Warren, Scott Ramsey
and many others.
Dennis' award winning
web site www.
truthseekeratroswell.com
has had over one million
visitors since 1998.
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I will quote statements by Dave Thomas in the
above ‘X’ Chronicle article using his initials (DT) to
distinguish his remarks from my rebuttal and
comments.
(DT) “Roswell, a small town doing a big business
feeding the insatiable appetite of UFO enthusiasts,
now houses two UFO museums.”
Roswell has not had two UFO Museum’s since
1998, when the one located near the base closed
after the 50th anniversary of the Incident.
(DT) “Why the aliens were not taken to a superior
medical facility remains a mystery.”
Is Thomas admitting there were aliens? What
knowledge does he have that they were not taken
to a superior medical facility such as the Lovelace
Clinic in Albuquerque, which had a contract with the
Army Air Force, or to White Sands, Los Alamos,
Bethesda, Walter Reed, Wright Field, or any other
location?
above ‘X’ Chronicle article using his initials (DT) to
distinguish his remarks from my rebuttal and
comments.
(DT) “Roswell, a small town doing a big business
feeding the insatiable appetite of UFO enthusiasts,
now houses two UFO museums.”
Roswell has not had two UFO Museum’s since
1998, when the one located near the base closed
after the 50th anniversary of the Incident.
(DT) “Why the aliens were not taken to a superior
medical facility remains a mystery.”
Is Thomas admitting there were aliens? What
knowledge does he have that they were not taken
to a superior medical facility such as the Lovelace
Clinic in Albuquerque, which had a contract with the
Army Air Force, or to White Sands, Los Alamos,
Bethesda, Walter Reed, Wright Field, or any other
location?
(DT) “William “Mac” Brazel, foreman of the Foster ranch, along with a 7-year old girl, Dee Proctor, found the most
famous debris in modern history.”
I’m proposing a technicality here, because I found Brazel’s gravesite 10 years ago and his nickname on the
tombstone is spelled “Mack”, not “Mac”.
I could stop right here because of the next comment, but I believe it over emphasizes the lack of doing good research
by Dave Thomas and others, that continue to distribute information without doing the required research. Dee Proctor
was not a 7-year old girl, but was the “7-year old SON” of Loretta and Floyd Proctor, ranch neighbors to “Mack”
Brazel on the Foster ranch.
(DT) “Actually, it was pretty mundane stuff, including a piece of reinforcing tape whose flower-like design was taken to
be alien hieroglyphics”
The symbols on the tape were never “taken” as hieroglyphics. Major Jesse Marcel and his son Jesse Jr., both
commented that “the markings on the I-beams---not on the tape” looked like some “form of hieroglyphics”, that
being the best description they could come up with as a comparison with anything we knew at the time. I submitted
the drawing Maj. Marcel gave to Linda Corley, PhD, in an interview she did with Major Marcel, May 5, 1981, prior to his
death, to the Great Pyramid of Giza Research Association I belong to, and those board members knowledgeable in
hieroglyphics informed me there is no resemblance to any form of hieroglyphics. Jesse Marcel Jr. went over this with C.
B.Moore, and talks about it in his book, “The Roswell Legacy”, which Thomas has probably not read.
(DT) “The National Enquirer also brought Roswell to the forefront in 1980, with a story featuring Jesse Marcel, the
Army Major who, in 1947 may have been responsible for a press release.”
Again obviously, Thomas did no research. The fact is that Lt. Walter Haut, the Public Relations Officer for the 509th
Bomb Wing at Roswell Army Airfield, under orders from Base Commander, Col Blanchard, wrote the press release,
and distributed it to both radio stations and both newspapers in Roswell, about noon New Mexico time, July 8, 1947.
The article went out to most newspapers west of Chicago, as a front-page headline, in those afternoon or evening
papers July 8th. It was not Major Marcel who was responsible for the press release. Walter Haut wrote and
distributed it locally to the media.
(DT) “Current conventional wisdom among skeptics is that what was found on the Brazel ranch was part of Project
Mogul, a top secret project testing giant, high-flying balloons to detect Soviet nuclear explosions.”
“Conventional wisdom?” It wasn’t the Brazel ranch---it was the Foster ranch where Brazel was ranch foreman.
The Soviets didn’t do any nuclear testing until 1949, (two years after the Roswell Incident)?
(DT) On several occasions in Dave Thomas’ article he mentions Charles Moore, one of the Project Mogul scientists,
who worked with NYU on Mogul projects, who refers to the equipment used for the balloon launches such as; radar
reflectors, aluminum rings, sonobuoys, batteries for the acoustic equipment, radiosondes, and others.
Why did none of that equipment show up in the photos taken in General Ramey’s office, and what is in the
unopened packages by the radiator behind General Ramey and Col. DuBose in those photographs?
(DT) “Moore makes a strong case for the hypothesis that NYU Flight # 4, which he helped launch on June 4, 1947,
was the source of the debris Brazel found on the Foster ranch.”
Flight 4 was cancelled due to weather conditions, and Moore admits no altitude data was obtained for it and it was not
included in the NYU reports.
(DT) “Brazel reported that he found the debris on the ranch on June 14, 1947.”
Brazel would have come into Roswell on Sunday, July 6th bringing some debris to Sheriff Wilcox’s office, and the
military would have gotten involved with Marcel and Cavitt going out to the ranch that evening. The military would
have had time to talk to Brazel and have him prepare a statement, prior to taking him to the base for an in-depth
interrogation. Brazel is quoted on the June 14th date only in the Roswell Daily Record newspaper for July 9, when
General Ramey’s weather balloon story was the headline.
(DT) “Moore’s calculated balloon path is quite consistent with a landing at the Foster ranch, approximately 85 miles
northeast of the Alamogordo launch site and 60 miles northwest of Roswell.”
Researcher David Rudiak www.roswellproof.com has volumes of information pertaining trajectory path errors
proposed by Charles Moore as well as documentation about the various flight numbers and paths of balloons
launched from Alamogordo, New Mexico, confirming that the debris on the Foster ranch could not have come from
Flight #4.
If Dave Thomas and others insist on discussing the Roswell Incident, they should at least do the research required,
or cease referring to themselves as scientific, reasonable or realistic.
Thanks to Stanton Friedman www.stantonfriedman.com for reviewing my comments.
famous debris in modern history.”
I’m proposing a technicality here, because I found Brazel’s gravesite 10 years ago and his nickname on the
tombstone is spelled “Mack”, not “Mac”.
I could stop right here because of the next comment, but I believe it over emphasizes the lack of doing good research
by Dave Thomas and others, that continue to distribute information without doing the required research. Dee Proctor
was not a 7-year old girl, but was the “7-year old SON” of Loretta and Floyd Proctor, ranch neighbors to “Mack”
Brazel on the Foster ranch.
(DT) “Actually, it was pretty mundane stuff, including a piece of reinforcing tape whose flower-like design was taken to
be alien hieroglyphics”
The symbols on the tape were never “taken” as hieroglyphics. Major Jesse Marcel and his son Jesse Jr., both
commented that “the markings on the I-beams---not on the tape” looked like some “form of hieroglyphics”, that
being the best description they could come up with as a comparison with anything we knew at the time. I submitted
the drawing Maj. Marcel gave to Linda Corley, PhD, in an interview she did with Major Marcel, May 5, 1981, prior to his
death, to the Great Pyramid of Giza Research Association I belong to, and those board members knowledgeable in
hieroglyphics informed me there is no resemblance to any form of hieroglyphics. Jesse Marcel Jr. went over this with C.
B.Moore, and talks about it in his book, “The Roswell Legacy”, which Thomas has probably not read.
(DT) “The National Enquirer also brought Roswell to the forefront in 1980, with a story featuring Jesse Marcel, the
Army Major who, in 1947 may have been responsible for a press release.”
Again obviously, Thomas did no research. The fact is that Lt. Walter Haut, the Public Relations Officer for the 509th
Bomb Wing at Roswell Army Airfield, under orders from Base Commander, Col Blanchard, wrote the press release,
and distributed it to both radio stations and both newspapers in Roswell, about noon New Mexico time, July 8, 1947.
The article went out to most newspapers west of Chicago, as a front-page headline, in those afternoon or evening
papers July 8th. It was not Major Marcel who was responsible for the press release. Walter Haut wrote and
distributed it locally to the media.
(DT) “Current conventional wisdom among skeptics is that what was found on the Brazel ranch was part of Project
Mogul, a top secret project testing giant, high-flying balloons to detect Soviet nuclear explosions.”
“Conventional wisdom?” It wasn’t the Brazel ranch---it was the Foster ranch where Brazel was ranch foreman.
The Soviets didn’t do any nuclear testing until 1949, (two years after the Roswell Incident)?
(DT) On several occasions in Dave Thomas’ article he mentions Charles Moore, one of the Project Mogul scientists,
who worked with NYU on Mogul projects, who refers to the equipment used for the balloon launches such as; radar
reflectors, aluminum rings, sonobuoys, batteries for the acoustic equipment, radiosondes, and others.
Why did none of that equipment show up in the photos taken in General Ramey’s office, and what is in the
unopened packages by the radiator behind General Ramey and Col. DuBose in those photographs?
(DT) “Moore makes a strong case for the hypothesis that NYU Flight # 4, which he helped launch on June 4, 1947,
was the source of the debris Brazel found on the Foster ranch.”
Flight 4 was cancelled due to weather conditions, and Moore admits no altitude data was obtained for it and it was not
included in the NYU reports.
(DT) “Brazel reported that he found the debris on the ranch on June 14, 1947.”
Brazel would have come into Roswell on Sunday, July 6th bringing some debris to Sheriff Wilcox’s office, and the
military would have gotten involved with Marcel and Cavitt going out to the ranch that evening. The military would
have had time to talk to Brazel and have him prepare a statement, prior to taking him to the base for an in-depth
interrogation. Brazel is quoted on the June 14th date only in the Roswell Daily Record newspaper for July 9, when
General Ramey’s weather balloon story was the headline.
(DT) “Moore’s calculated balloon path is quite consistent with a landing at the Foster ranch, approximately 85 miles
northeast of the Alamogordo launch site and 60 miles northwest of Roswell.”
Researcher David Rudiak www.roswellproof.com has volumes of information pertaining trajectory path errors
proposed by Charles Moore as well as documentation about the various flight numbers and paths of balloons
launched from Alamogordo, New Mexico, confirming that the debris on the Foster ranch could not have come from
Flight #4.
If Dave Thomas and others insist on discussing the Roswell Incident, they should at least do the research required,
or cease referring to themselves as scientific, reasonable or realistic.
Thanks to Stanton Friedman www.stantonfriedman.com for reviewing my comments.
Editors Note: After reading Dennis' article and the rebuttal by Dave Thomas, I felt compelled to write an article on
my own concerning the situation. It was soon after that I got Dennis' email response to Thomas which mentioned
several points I had already written into my article, entitled FACT IS NOT USURPED BY NEGLIGENCE.
Click HERE to go to this article.
my own concerning the situation. It was soon after that I got Dennis' email response to Thomas which mentioned
several points I had already written into my article, entitled FACT IS NOT USURPED BY NEGLIGENCE.
Click HERE to go to this article.
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