I must say that I am quite disappointed in Robert Hastings recent bird dropping and MJ-12 articles. Robert has done
some fine work on the connection between nuclear installations and UFOs. But his recent opus seems to me to be
painted with much too broad a brush with too many nasty personal attacks on people (Doty, Collins, Moore, Tim
Cooper) and far too little investigation and discussion about the Majestic 12 documents themselves. I saw no mention
at all of “TOP SECRET/MAJIC” my 1997 book updated with a 5000 word afterword in 2005. The entire focus is on MJ-
12 documents, the reasons some must be labeled as phony and others as genuine. I see no mention of my several
detailed MUFON Symposium Papers about MJ-12 or such items as my detailed review of Kevin Randle’s “Case MJ-12”
on my website www.stantonfriedman.com .
He says little about archive research. He touts Brad Sparks’ MUFON paper attacking the documents, but not my
detailed rebuttal. As anybody who reads my publications would know, I long ago noted that I couldn’t accept any of
the Tim Cooper documents. I carefully showed that at least 7 were emulations i.e. retyped slightly changed real
documents that had been in print. I had found the originals. I noted flat out wrong statements in others. I have
touted the Eisenhower Briefing Document, The Truman Forestall Memo and the Cutler Twining memo as genuine I
believe I have successfully rebutted all the arguments against these in my publications. Jan Aldrich is certainly
knowledgeable about army procedures and documents, but made the false claim (as did others) that the documents
had to have had TOP SECRET CONTROL numbers. Not so.. I quoted archivists from the Eisenhower and Marshall
libraries saying they have many TS documents without Control Numbers. Phil Klass noisily challenged me about the
PICA type used in the CT memo.. and wound up quietly paying me $1000. for providing 14 documents using the
same size and style PICA type.(payment limit was unfortunately 10). A copy of his check is in the MJ-12 Update
Chapter in “Flying Saucers and Science” 2008. Joe Nickell of CSI attacked the documents wrongly in the Skeptical
Inquirer (Jan/Feb.2009).I will let Bob Wood deal with SOM 1.01
MJ-12 deniers claimed that the typeface for the 1947 TF memo wasn’t used until much later. Mr. Black a professional
Forensic Documents examiner, hired by Robert and Ryan Wood, showed that it predated the TF memo by several
years.. MJ-12 debunkers claimed the EBD was a hoax because it referred to Rear Admiral Hillenkoetter as Admiral. I
showed that the use of generic ranks was very common in White House documents in the 1950s..
Joe Nickell claimed the EBD was a hoax because the data format (18 November, 1952; note the comma after
November) violated the government style manual. In my visits to 20 archives I have seen many different date
formats. People claimed that UFO debunker Donald Menzel couldn’t have been a member of MJ-12. I discovered at the
Harvard Archives, much to my surprise, that Menzel had, unbeknownst to the UFO and Astronomy communities, done
a great deal of very highly classified work for the CIA, NSA, and many companies.
I learned a lot not only from discussions with archivists, but also with people like noted historian Forrest Pogue, and
George Elsey who worked at the White House all the time Truman was there.
I compiled and published lists of many details that were in the EBD, CT and TF memos that were not known to be
true prior to receipt of the documents, but that later investigation proved to be true. How did a hoaxer know? I
located Flight logs for General Twining and his pilot substantiating his flight to New Mexico on July 7, 1947, as noted
in the EBD, and other relevant flights. Twining’s log had been in a classified box at the Library of Congress Manuscript
Division for decades.
None of this is to say that Robert is not justified in some of his attacks on the activities and claims of Doty, Collins,
Moore and Cooper. There were games played and I agree with some of his critiques. However, they are really separate
from the documents themselves. A major area of difficulty involves claims that this or that date format was never
used or was always used or that a certain kind of onionskin paper was always used for Robert Cutler carbons. I found
exceptions.. One white crow proves not all crows are black. Guilt by association is not a scientific approach to
document evaluation.
some fine work on the connection between nuclear installations and UFOs. But his recent opus seems to me to be
painted with much too broad a brush with too many nasty personal attacks on people (Doty, Collins, Moore, Tim
Cooper) and far too little investigation and discussion about the Majestic 12 documents themselves. I saw no mention
at all of “TOP SECRET/MAJIC” my 1997 book updated with a 5000 word afterword in 2005. The entire focus is on MJ-
12 documents, the reasons some must be labeled as phony and others as genuine. I see no mention of my several
detailed MUFON Symposium Papers about MJ-12 or such items as my detailed review of Kevin Randle’s “Case MJ-12”
on my website www.stantonfriedman.com .
He says little about archive research. He touts Brad Sparks’ MUFON paper attacking the documents, but not my
detailed rebuttal. As anybody who reads my publications would know, I long ago noted that I couldn’t accept any of
the Tim Cooper documents. I carefully showed that at least 7 were emulations i.e. retyped slightly changed real
documents that had been in print. I had found the originals. I noted flat out wrong statements in others. I have
touted the Eisenhower Briefing Document, The Truman Forestall Memo and the Cutler Twining memo as genuine I
believe I have successfully rebutted all the arguments against these in my publications. Jan Aldrich is certainly
knowledgeable about army procedures and documents, but made the false claim (as did others) that the documents
had to have had TOP SECRET CONTROL numbers. Not so.. I quoted archivists from the Eisenhower and Marshall
libraries saying they have many TS documents without Control Numbers. Phil Klass noisily challenged me about the
PICA type used in the CT memo.. and wound up quietly paying me $1000. for providing 14 documents using the
same size and style PICA type.(payment limit was unfortunately 10). A copy of his check is in the MJ-12 Update
Chapter in “Flying Saucers and Science” 2008. Joe Nickell of CSI attacked the documents wrongly in the Skeptical
Inquirer (Jan/Feb.2009).I will let Bob Wood deal with SOM 1.01
MJ-12 deniers claimed that the typeface for the 1947 TF memo wasn’t used until much later. Mr. Black a professional
Forensic Documents examiner, hired by Robert and Ryan Wood, showed that it predated the TF memo by several
years.. MJ-12 debunkers claimed the EBD was a hoax because it referred to Rear Admiral Hillenkoetter as Admiral. I
showed that the use of generic ranks was very common in White House documents in the 1950s..
Joe Nickell claimed the EBD was a hoax because the data format (18 November, 1952; note the comma after
November) violated the government style manual. In my visits to 20 archives I have seen many different date
formats. People claimed that UFO debunker Donald Menzel couldn’t have been a member of MJ-12. I discovered at the
Harvard Archives, much to my surprise, that Menzel had, unbeknownst to the UFO and Astronomy communities, done
a great deal of very highly classified work for the CIA, NSA, and many companies.
I learned a lot not only from discussions with archivists, but also with people like noted historian Forrest Pogue, and
George Elsey who worked at the White House all the time Truman was there.
I compiled and published lists of many details that were in the EBD, CT and TF memos that were not known to be
true prior to receipt of the documents, but that later investigation proved to be true. How did a hoaxer know? I
located Flight logs for General Twining and his pilot substantiating his flight to New Mexico on July 7, 1947, as noted
in the EBD, and other relevant flights. Twining’s log had been in a classified box at the Library of Congress Manuscript
Division for decades.
None of this is to say that Robert is not justified in some of his attacks on the activities and claims of Doty, Collins,
Moore and Cooper. There were games played and I agree with some of his critiques. However, they are really separate
from the documents themselves. A major area of difficulty involves claims that this or that date format was never
used or was always used or that a certain kind of onionskin paper was always used for Robert Cutler carbons. I found
exceptions.. One white crow proves not all crows are black. Guilt by association is not a scientific approach to
document evaluation.
BIRD DROPPINGS AND MJ-12, Stanton Friedman Responds . . . by Stanton Friedman
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Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer
Stanton T. Friedman
received his BSc. and
MSc. Degrees in physics
from the University of
Chicago in 1955 and
1956. He was employed
for 14 years as a nuclear
physicist by such
companies as GE, GM,
Westinghouse, TRW
Systems, Aerojet General
Nucleonics, and McDonnell
Douglas working in such
highly advanced,
classified, eventually
cancelled programs as
nuclear aircraft, fission
and fusion rockets, and
various compact nuclear
powerplants for space and
terrestrial applications.
He became interested in
UFOs in 1958, and since
1967 has lectured about
them at more than 600
colleges and 100
professional groups in 50
U.S. states, 9 Canadian
provinces and 16 other
countries in addition to
various nuclear consulting
efforts. He has published
more than 90 UFO papers
and has appeared on
hundreds of radio and TV
programs including on
Larry King in 2007 and
twice in 2008, and many
documentaries. He is the
original civilian
investigator of the
Roswell Incident and co-
authored “Crash at
Corona: The Definitive
Study of the Roswell
Incident.” “TOP
SECRET/MAJIC,” his
controversial book about
the Majestic 12 group,
established in 1947 to
deal with alien
technology, was published
in 1996 and went through
6 printings. An expanded
new edition was published
in 2005. Stan was
presented with a Lifetime
UFO Achievement Award
in Leeds, England, in
2002, by UFO Magazine
of the UK. He is co-author
with Kathleen Marden
(Betty Hill’s niece) of a
book in 2007: “Captured!
The Betty and Barney Hill
UFO Experience.” The City
of Fredericton, New
Brunswick, declared
August 27, 2007, Stanton
Friedman Day. His new
book “Flying Saucers and
Science” was published in
June 2008 and is in its
3rd printing.
He has provided written
testimony to
Congressional Hearings,
appeared twice at the UN,
and been a pioneer in
many aspects of ufology
including Roswell, Majestic
12, The Betty Hill-Marjorie
Fish star map work,
analysis of the Delphos,
Kansas, physical trace
case, crashed saucers,
flying saucer technology,
and challenges to the S.E.
T.I. (Silly Effort To
Investigate) cultists. He
has spoken at more
MUFON Symposia than
anyone else.
Stanton T. Friedman is a
dual citizen of the USA
and Canada and lives at
79 Pembroke Crescent,
Fredericton, NB, Canada
E3B 2V1. 506-457-0232.
Phone: 506-457-0232
Fax: 506-450-3832
E-Mail: fsphys@rogers.com
Web Site:
www.stantonfriedman.
com
Stanton T. Friedman
received his BSc. and
MSc. Degrees in physics
from the University of
Chicago in 1955 and
1956. He was employed
for 14 years as a nuclear
physicist by such
companies as GE, GM,
Westinghouse, TRW
Systems, Aerojet General
Nucleonics, and McDonnell
Douglas working in such
highly advanced,
classified, eventually
cancelled programs as
nuclear aircraft, fission
and fusion rockets, and
various compact nuclear
powerplants for space and
terrestrial applications.
He became interested in
UFOs in 1958, and since
1967 has lectured about
them at more than 600
colleges and 100
professional groups in 50
U.S. states, 9 Canadian
provinces and 16 other
countries in addition to
various nuclear consulting
efforts. He has published
more than 90 UFO papers
and has appeared on
hundreds of radio and TV
programs including on
Larry King in 2007 and
twice in 2008, and many
documentaries. He is the
original civilian
investigator of the
Roswell Incident and co-
authored “Crash at
Corona: The Definitive
Study of the Roswell
Incident.” “TOP
SECRET/MAJIC,” his
controversial book about
the Majestic 12 group,
established in 1947 to
deal with alien
technology, was published
in 1996 and went through
6 printings. An expanded
new edition was published
in 2005. Stan was
presented with a Lifetime
UFO Achievement Award
in Leeds, England, in
2002, by UFO Magazine
of the UK. He is co-author
with Kathleen Marden
(Betty Hill’s niece) of a
book in 2007: “Captured!
The Betty and Barney Hill
UFO Experience.” The City
of Fredericton, New
Brunswick, declared
August 27, 2007, Stanton
Friedman Day. His new
book “Flying Saucers and
Science” was published in
June 2008 and is in its
3rd printing.
He has provided written
testimony to
Congressional Hearings,
appeared twice at the UN,
and been a pioneer in
many aspects of ufology
including Roswell, Majestic
12, The Betty Hill-Marjorie
Fish star map work,
analysis of the Delphos,
Kansas, physical trace
case, crashed saucers,
flying saucer technology,
and challenges to the S.E.
T.I. (Silly Effort To
Investigate) cultists. He
has spoken at more
MUFON Symposia than
anyone else.
Stanton T. Friedman is a
dual citizen of the USA
and Canada and lives at
79 Pembroke Crescent,
Fredericton, NB, Canada
E3B 2V1. 506-457-0232.
Phone: 506-457-0232
Fax: 506-450-3832
E-Mail: fsphys@rogers.com
Web Site:
www.stantonfriedman.
com
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