authenticated by anyone they were useless.
Within a couple of days of this meeting my friend and colleague Russel Callaghan, editor of UFO DATA magazine, had
a phone call from a man by the name of Spyros Melaris. This man claimed he had lead the team that faked the whole
alien autopsy film. He was a magician and filmmaker and he was now ready to spill the beans. He gave Russel a run
down of the who, what, why and where of the whole affair. Because of my involvement in this affair Russel was soon
on the phone to me with the details. It wasn’t long before I spoke to Spyros Melaris myself and he was telling me
things in great detail. During the next few weeks I had several telephone conversations with Spyros Melaris and also
put him in contact with US TV producer Robert (Bob) Kiviat at his request. Spyros was considering the best way to
go public with his story, he had a book planned and thought that a TV documentary might also be a good idea.
Along with my colleagues Russel Callaghan, Michael Buckley and Steve Johnston, I was one of the co-organisers of
the UFO DATA annual conference. It just so happened, that the 2007 conference had a loose Roswell theme to
commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Roswell Incident. My colleagues and I discussed the possibility of asking
Spyros Melaris to make his first public statement on this whole thing at our conference and eventually he agreed. The
conference itself was held over the weekend of October 20th & 21st 2007 in Pontefract, West Yorkshire. A packed
audience saw Spyros take the stage on Sunday October 21st. I had met him in person for the first time the night
before at the hotel and I made loose arrangements to formally interview him at his home later in the year. As
promised, Spyros took to the stage and told of his involvement in the making of the alien autopsy film. A small few
members of the audience were rather upset to hear this but the vast majority were fascinated by what he had to say.
I made arrangements to visit the home of Spyros Melaris on November 16th 2007 and I drove to his house in
Hertfordshire with my partner Christine. Before the formal audio-taped interview began we had lunch with Spyros and
his lovely wife Anne. Over lunch Spyros showed us some of the documentary evidence he has to support his claims.
This included his diary from l995, hand drawn sketches of the alien, a full list of hand painted story board images of
the whole alien autopsy film, original fax messages from Kodak in the USA providing copies of l947 fill canister labels,
and a large portfolio of research material. This was mainly of vintage (l940’s) US military vehicles and some vintage US
military medical photographs. The interview itself lasted around two hours and we only touched the tip of the iceberg.
The full interview can be located online at: http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/index.html (Alien Autopsy
Information section). I would like to thank my colleague Steve Johnston for transcribing this interview in full. The
following is based on that interview.
Who is Spyros Melaris
As the name might give it away Spyros was originally born in Cyprus. As a boy he was taught a magic trick by his
grandfather and his love of magic was born. The other passion as a boy growing up in the UK was film making. At
school he told his careers officer that he wanted to be an actor but this was discouraged. A proper job was what he
should have. So a proper job he took and after leaving school became an apprentice trained motor mechanic.
However, his love of magic and film making eventually won over and he eventually became a magician and a filmmaker.
He now owns his own TV studio in London and makes TV shows for all the major networks in the UK and
independent production companies alike. In short in his owns words we make programmes for “anyone who books
us.”
Within a couple of days of this meeting my friend and colleague Russel Callaghan, editor of UFO DATA magazine, had
a phone call from a man by the name of Spyros Melaris. This man claimed he had lead the team that faked the whole
alien autopsy film. He was a magician and filmmaker and he was now ready to spill the beans. He gave Russel a run
down of the who, what, why and where of the whole affair. Because of my involvement in this affair Russel was soon
on the phone to me with the details. It wasn’t long before I spoke to Spyros Melaris myself and he was telling me
things in great detail. During the next few weeks I had several telephone conversations with Spyros Melaris and also
put him in contact with US TV producer Robert (Bob) Kiviat at his request. Spyros was considering the best way to
go public with his story, he had a book planned and thought that a TV documentary might also be a good idea.
Along with my colleagues Russel Callaghan, Michael Buckley and Steve Johnston, I was one of the co-organisers of
the UFO DATA annual conference. It just so happened, that the 2007 conference had a loose Roswell theme to
commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Roswell Incident. My colleagues and I discussed the possibility of asking
Spyros Melaris to make his first public statement on this whole thing at our conference and eventually he agreed. The
conference itself was held over the weekend of October 20th & 21st 2007 in Pontefract, West Yorkshire. A packed
audience saw Spyros take the stage on Sunday October 21st. I had met him in person for the first time the night
before at the hotel and I made loose arrangements to formally interview him at his home later in the year. As
promised, Spyros took to the stage and told of his involvement in the making of the alien autopsy film. A small few
members of the audience were rather upset to hear this but the vast majority were fascinated by what he had to say.
I made arrangements to visit the home of Spyros Melaris on November 16th 2007 and I drove to his house in
Hertfordshire with my partner Christine. Before the formal audio-taped interview began we had lunch with Spyros and
his lovely wife Anne. Over lunch Spyros showed us some of the documentary evidence he has to support his claims.
This included his diary from l995, hand drawn sketches of the alien, a full list of hand painted story board images of
the whole alien autopsy film, original fax messages from Kodak in the USA providing copies of l947 fill canister labels,
and a large portfolio of research material. This was mainly of vintage (l940’s) US military vehicles and some vintage US
military medical photographs. The interview itself lasted around two hours and we only touched the tip of the iceberg.
The full interview can be located online at: http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/index.html (Alien Autopsy
Information section). I would like to thank my colleague Steve Johnston for transcribing this interview in full. The
following is based on that interview.
Who is Spyros Melaris
As the name might give it away Spyros was originally born in Cyprus. As a boy he was taught a magic trick by his
grandfather and his love of magic was born. The other passion as a boy growing up in the UK was film making. At
school he told his careers officer that he wanted to be an actor but this was discouraged. A proper job was what he
should have. So a proper job he took and after leaving school became an apprentice trained motor mechanic.
However, his love of magic and film making eventually won over and he eventually became a magician and a filmmaker.
He now owns his own TV studio in London and makes TV shows for all the major networks in the UK and
independent production companies alike. In short in his owns words we make programmes for “anyone who books
us.”
ALIEN AUTOPSY – GAME OVER: The devil is in the detail – The Spyros Melaris story by Philip Mantle
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It was 1993 when I was first contacted by London businessman Ray Santilli. It was l995 when Santilli’
s controversial ‘Alien Autopsy Film’ was released around the world. I have covered events
surrounding this film in many publications around the world and in my book ‘ALIEN AUTOPSY
INQUEST’ so forgive me if I don’t cover old ground here.
On June 22nd 2007 I travelled by train to London to meet up with Ray Santilli and his business
partner Gary Shoefield. We had a pleasant lunch together and Ray Santilli showed me some frames
of film encased in a type of perspex material. Santilli claimed these were original vintage 1947 frames
of film from the alien autopsy. As they came with no official seal of approval or had been
s controversial ‘Alien Autopsy Film’ was released around the world. I have covered events
surrounding this film in many publications around the world and in my book ‘ALIEN AUTOPSY
INQUEST’ so forgive me if I don’t cover old ground here.
On June 22nd 2007 I travelled by train to London to meet up with Ray Santilli and his business
partner Gary Shoefield. We had a pleasant lunch together and Ray Santilli showed me some frames
of film encased in a type of perspex material. Santilli claimed these were original vintage 1947 frames
of film from the alien autopsy. As they came with no official seal of approval or had been
Philip Mantle is an
international author,
researcher, lecturer and
broadcaster on the UFO
subject. His book ALIEN
AUTOPSY INQUEST is
available now via Amazon.
He can be contacted on
email at:
philip@mantle8353.fsworld
.co.uk
international author,
researcher, lecturer and
broadcaster on the UFO
subject. His book ALIEN
AUTOPSY INQUEST is
available now via Amazon.
He can be contacted on
email at:
philip@mantle8353.fsworld
.co.uk
| Copyright © 2009 JFS |
How Did he Meet Ray Santilli
In January 1995 he was to attend the MIDEM music
industry event in Cannes, France. He was taking a
film crew there and had some spare time on his
hands so he sent fax messages to 4 production
companies picked at random from a media directory.
He basically asked them if they wanted to hire him
and his crew while in Cannes. One of these
happened to be the Merlin Group owned by Ray
Santilli. Spyros and Ray Santilli had a few telephone
conversations but did not meet and arranged to
meet in Cannes. By pure chance they bumped into
each other at a restaurant in Cannes and it was
here that Ray Santilli fist told Spyros Melaris that he
had obtained film footage of an alien. Holding back a
smirk Spyros asked Santilli if he was serious and he
replied he was, not only that he wanted Spyros to
make a documentary from this footage. They
eventually agreed to meet at Ray Santilli’s office
back in London. A few days later Spyros kept his
appointment with Santilli at his office in London.
In January 1995 he was to attend the MIDEM music
industry event in Cannes, France. He was taking a
film crew there and had some spare time on his
hands so he sent fax messages to 4 production
companies picked at random from a media directory.
He basically asked them if they wanted to hire him
and his crew while in Cannes. One of these
happened to be the Merlin Group owned by Ray
Santilli. Spyros and Ray Santilli had a few telephone
conversations but did not meet and arranged to
meet in Cannes. By pure chance they bumped into
each other at a restaurant in Cannes and it was
here that Ray Santilli fist told Spyros Melaris that he
had obtained film footage of an alien. Holding back a
smirk Spyros asked Santilli if he was serious and he
replied he was, not only that he wanted Spyros to
make a documentary from this footage. They
eventually agreed to meet at Ray Santilli’s office
back in London. A few days later Spyros kept his
appointment with Santilli at his office in London.
Here he met an almost distraught Ray Santilli who told him he’d bought this film but it had turned out to be very poor
quality. Spyros was shown what has become known as the ‘tent footage’ and he immediately recognised it as been shot
on video. The tape he was shown was on VHS format. Santilli seemed surprised that he had recognised it as being shot
on video so quickly and he realised the game was up. Again in Spyros’s own words “. If I can’t get it past this guy, I’m
not going to get it past anyone else. He realised it was game up. That’s when the meeting ended. I thought the guy’s
mad. He’s trying a fast one. I thought it was over at that point.”
So How Did The Idea of a Fake Film Come About
Melaris met up with his friend and colleague John Humphreys. Humphreys is a Royal Academy trained sculptor whose
work had sometimes overlapped into film and TV special effects. Melaris and Humphreys had known each other for a
long time and had worked on a number of things together in the past. Melaris simply put the idea to Humphreys, “John,
do you fancy sculpting an alien?” Melaris told Humphreys of his meeting with Santilli and basically came up with the idea
of making it. They talked things over from a legal point of view and how it might help them break into other projects,
even Hollywood. The idea was to make it, release it to the world and then make a second programme shortly after
showing how they did it. Humphreys agreed and Melaris pitched the idea to Santilli. Santilli looked like a man reborn
almost and agreed. The budget put forward by Melaris was about £30,000 and it was Santilli’s business partner and
friend Volker Spielberg who put up the money. The funding was in place, contracts and a confidentiality agreement were
signed and the ball was rolling.
The Team Behind The Making of The Film
First off there was Spyros Melaris. He designed and directed the film, directed, instructed and paid the rest of the team,
made the autopsy table along with many of the other props, he also made the ‘contamination suits’ as well as obtain
the props and cameras. The main researcher behind it all was Spyros’s then girlfriend Geraldine. She was the one who
checked the medical books, spoke with surgeons and pathologists and she even played the part of the nurse in the film.
Geraldine is not her real name as she wishes to remain anonymous. John Humphreys of course made the alien’s bodies.
The mould was actually made from John’s ten year-old son who was quite tall. As a trained sculptor Humphreys had
also studied anatomy so he was the man who played the surgeon in the film. Another friend of Spyros’s was Greg
Simmons. He was seen occasionally in the film in one of the contamination suits and he also played the part of the
soldier in the Debris Footage. Gareth Watson, a colleague of Santilli’s and Shoefield’s was the man in the surgical mask
behind the glass, and finally Spyros’s brother Peter helped behind the scenes. The set was built in Geraldine’s house in
Camden in London. The property was in the process of being converted into three flats (apartments) at the time and
was therefore empty. The props were obtained from someone Spyros knew in the USA. She was not told what they
were for and were all ordered separately and delivered to different addresses so as not to arouse suspicion. The
camera’s were obtained by Spyros, one bought and one borrowed from a friend.
Why Are There Two Separate Autopsy Films
According to Spyros the first ‘Alien Autopsy’ film went pretty much as planned. However, upon completion Geraldine
noticed that a few of the medical procedures were not correct. They therefore had to make another creature and film
another one. Apparently Santilli was ready for packing it all in at this point as there was no more money in the budget
to film it again. They persevered and made another one at Spyros’s cost the very next day. This too was not without
problems. The foam latex used to fill the dummy had not worked right and an air bubble had left a hollow space in the
creature’s leg. Humphreys was despatched to the local butchers by Spyros to get a leg joint of a sheep. This was
inserted into the hollow part in the alien’s right leg, a few other things were added, the outside of the leg was gently
burnt with a blowtorch and hey presto, the leg wound. Some of the inner organs were manufactured by Melaris, and
animal organs were also used for the alien’s innards, although altered with a scalpel and coated with latex. The alien’s
brain was actually made from three sheep’s brains and part of a pig’s brain cast in gelatine. This is how there came to
be two separate autopsy films one of which was shown in its entirety, while the second one made, has only ever been
released in part.
quality. Spyros was shown what has become known as the ‘tent footage’ and he immediately recognised it as been shot
on video. The tape he was shown was on VHS format. Santilli seemed surprised that he had recognised it as being shot
on video so quickly and he realised the game was up. Again in Spyros’s own words “. If I can’t get it past this guy, I’m
not going to get it past anyone else. He realised it was game up. That’s when the meeting ended. I thought the guy’s
mad. He’s trying a fast one. I thought it was over at that point.”
So How Did The Idea of a Fake Film Come About
Melaris met up with his friend and colleague John Humphreys. Humphreys is a Royal Academy trained sculptor whose
work had sometimes overlapped into film and TV special effects. Melaris and Humphreys had known each other for a
long time and had worked on a number of things together in the past. Melaris simply put the idea to Humphreys, “John,
do you fancy sculpting an alien?” Melaris told Humphreys of his meeting with Santilli and basically came up with the idea
of making it. They talked things over from a legal point of view and how it might help them break into other projects,
even Hollywood. The idea was to make it, release it to the world and then make a second programme shortly after
showing how they did it. Humphreys agreed and Melaris pitched the idea to Santilli. Santilli looked like a man reborn
almost and agreed. The budget put forward by Melaris was about £30,000 and it was Santilli’s business partner and
friend Volker Spielberg who put up the money. The funding was in place, contracts and a confidentiality agreement were
signed and the ball was rolling.
The Team Behind The Making of The Film
First off there was Spyros Melaris. He designed and directed the film, directed, instructed and paid the rest of the team,
made the autopsy table along with many of the other props, he also made the ‘contamination suits’ as well as obtain
the props and cameras. The main researcher behind it all was Spyros’s then girlfriend Geraldine. She was the one who
checked the medical books, spoke with surgeons and pathologists and she even played the part of the nurse in the film.
Geraldine is not her real name as she wishes to remain anonymous. John Humphreys of course made the alien’s bodies.
The mould was actually made from John’s ten year-old son who was quite tall. As a trained sculptor Humphreys had
also studied anatomy so he was the man who played the surgeon in the film. Another friend of Spyros’s was Greg
Simmons. He was seen occasionally in the film in one of the contamination suits and he also played the part of the
soldier in the Debris Footage. Gareth Watson, a colleague of Santilli’s and Shoefield’s was the man in the surgical mask
behind the glass, and finally Spyros’s brother Peter helped behind the scenes. The set was built in Geraldine’s house in
Camden in London. The property was in the process of being converted into three flats (apartments) at the time and
was therefore empty. The props were obtained from someone Spyros knew in the USA. She was not told what they
were for and were all ordered separately and delivered to different addresses so as not to arouse suspicion. The
camera’s were obtained by Spyros, one bought and one borrowed from a friend.
Why Are There Two Separate Autopsy Films
According to Spyros the first ‘Alien Autopsy’ film went pretty much as planned. However, upon completion Geraldine
noticed that a few of the medical procedures were not correct. They therefore had to make another creature and film
another one. Apparently Santilli was ready for packing it all in at this point as there was no more money in the budget
to film it again. They persevered and made another one at Spyros’s cost the very next day. This too was not without
problems. The foam latex used to fill the dummy had not worked right and an air bubble had left a hollow space in the
creature’s leg. Humphreys was despatched to the local butchers by Spyros to get a leg joint of a sheep. This was
inserted into the hollow part in the alien’s right leg, a few other things were added, the outside of the leg was gently
burnt with a blowtorch and hey presto, the leg wound. Some of the inner organs were manufactured by Melaris, and
animal organs were also used for the alien’s innards, although altered with a scalpel and coated with latex. The alien’s
brain was actually made from three sheep’s brains and part of a pig’s brain cast in gelatine. This is how there came to
be two separate autopsy films one of which was shown in its entirety, while the second one made, has only ever been
released in part.
The Wreckage and I-beams
These were all designed by Spyros himself. At the October
2007 UFO DATA conference Spyros showed me how he had
designed the ‘writing’ on them and what it said. The
wreckage was then manufactured by John Humphreys,
Spyros and his brother Peter. He told me that he based it
on Greek lettering, a bit of ancient Egyptian stylising and
some artistic license. On the main large beam, if translated
correctly it reads ‘FREEDOM’. Spyros thought this a fitting
name for an alien spacecraft. While designing the letters
which spell the word ‘FREEDOM’, Spyros noticed that if the
word is turned upside down, the word ‘VIDEO’ could be
seen. He adjusted some of the letters to better facilitate
this, so the piece would throw a little red herring into the
mix. The translation of the smaller beam is being held back
for Spyros’s book.
These were all designed by Spyros himself. At the October
2007 UFO DATA conference Spyros showed me how he had
designed the ‘writing’ on them and what it said. The
wreckage was then manufactured by John Humphreys,
Spyros and his brother Peter. He told me that he based it
on Greek lettering, a bit of ancient Egyptian stylising and
some artistic license. On the main large beam, if translated
correctly it reads ‘FREEDOM’. Spyros thought this a fitting
name for an alien spacecraft. While designing the letters
which spell the word ‘FREEDOM’, Spyros noticed that if the
word is turned upside down, the word ‘VIDEO’ could be
seen. He adjusted some of the letters to better facilitate
this, so the piece would throw a little red herring into the
mix. The translation of the smaller beam is being held back
for Spyros’s book.
The Cameraman’s Home Video Interview
According to Melaris, Ray Santilli was put under a lot of pressure by various parties to arrange an interview with the
fictitious cameraman he allegedly bought the film from. Of course according to Melaris there was no such person so he
came up with the idea of creating this aspect of the whole affair as well. The basic scenario is that Melaris flew to Los
Angeles and met up with Santilli’s partner Gary Shoefield. Melaris wanted to find an eighty year old tramp on the
streets of L.A. Pay him a few hundred dollars, put him in front of a camera and ask him to read from a script. Santilli
and Shoefield were nervous, and not sure this would work but Spyros was confident he could pull this off, and went
ahead. He found an old guy living rough on the street, offered him $500 and a night in the hotel and he duly agreed.
Again, by pure chance the chap had been an actor many years ago. Melaris took his name and the name of a movie he
had appeared in. These details will be released in his book. He cleaned him up, gave him a shave, added a bit of make
up and a false prosthetic nose and chin and the job was done. The man himself did not know what he was reading or
where it was going to be used. There was little chance that he would see the broadcast either. No one would recognise
him in a thousand years. And they never did. This film was delivered in person in New York to US TV producer Bob
Kiviat by Gary Shoefield and a man claiming to be the cameraman’s son. Eventually the film in question was broadcast
on TV in Japan only and from there it was copied and distributed to UFO researchers around the world. The trick
worked, no one has identified the man in question, and Melaris claims he is the only one who can do this.
The Crash Site
There are a number of people who believe the alien autopsy film is authentic, not because of the film itself but because
of the crash site. Ray Santilli released details, supposedly from his cameraman, as to where the incident took place in
the desert. How did this come about? Well, according to Spyros this was quite simple. In l995 he flew to Roswell. Here
he interviewed many local people including Loretta Proctor. Mrs. Proctor was the neighbour of rancher Mac Brazel and it
was she who suggested that Mac take some of the UFO debris into town after he found it. Spyros also met and hired
private pilot Rodney Corn. He asked corn to fly him over the UFO crash site, to which he replied “which one.” There are
in fact at least three such sites. So, Spyros flew over all three of them, filming as he went. Rodney Corn was able to
show Spyros a great deal from the air, far better than would have been possible on foot. This included small dirt roads
and long forgotten landmarks. Before the interview took place Spyros also informed me that he obtained both old and
new maps of the area. All of this information was handed to Ray Santilli and it was Santilli, not Spyros, who then put it
all together to make a location for a nonexistent crash site.
The Grand Plan
I asked Spyros what was the grand plan. The research was done, the film was made, so what next. Apparently it was a
rather simple plan. To release the film to a broadcaster, ask them to investigate and see what happens. They were
confident that it would not be exposed as a fake. Then, after a few months the plan was to hold their hands up and tell
all. The reason this didn’t happen was money. Spyros had signed a confidentiality agreement with Ray Santilli and
Santilli was still adamant that he needed to recoup his initial investment allegedly paid for the tent footage. Santilli told
Melaris that he had invested a lot of money on this film and he must re coup that before they were to go public. Santilli
reminded Spyros that he was bound by the confidentiality agreement and he was not to say or do anything until
Santilli said so. Apart from a cheque for about £10,000, which Spyros split with his team, no royalties were ever paid.
Santilli told him that due to the fact that he had stated publicly that it was a military film, that it had simply been copied
by third parties without permission and used without payment as the people who were using the film believed that the
copyright was vested with the US Military and not with Santilli. Eventually time went on and Spyros just got on with
life. He was constantly working on other projects with Santilli and earning a living and the alien autopsy film was all but
forgotten.
Going Public
The one thing that I first asked Spyros was why was it that he had decided to go public with this information now. It
was twelve years since the alien autopsy film hit the headlines. Melaris stuck to his confidentiality agreement. From a
legal point of view if he broke it he could have been sued. However, in 2005 he was approached by Santilli and
Shoefield to be involved in the movie version of this whole affair. He asked both if they would now tell the true story
and reveal that it was all a fake but they said no, they were going to maintain that they really did have original film.
Again Santilli and Shoefield stated that there was no money in it and that they were doing it for “a bit of fun” when
pressed they admitted that both Santilli and Shoefield would get paid a percentage of the profits, there was no such
offer for Melaris. Melaris declined their offer. He left that meeting under the impression that the movie was not going to
be made. However, the movie was made and distributed by Warner Bros and so Melaris felt that he was now able to
speak as the story was now in the public domain.
The Doubters
To round off the interview I asked Spyros Melaris what he had to say to the doubters out there, those that believe the
alien autopsy film is the genuine article. I’m not going to paraphrase this; instead I will use his words in full:
PM: Time’s against us, Spyros. I’ll ask one last question. There are those out there who believe in this film and Santilli
100% and they think that you’re some kind of pathological liar, playing devil’s advocate here, so please don’t be
offended.
SM: No. Go ahead.
PM: What would you say if you could say one thing to the doubters out there? Is there any one thing that you can say
that would say to them Spyros Melaris is who he says he is and has made this film?
SM: I don’t think that there’s any doubt that somebody made it today. That’s fair to say that somebody made the film
and even Santilli said it’s a fake, but it was made from original film. I think that’s really the question. The question isn’t
whether I made it because I can prove I made it. John Humphries will tell you I made it. Ray would probably tell you I
made it! He couldn’t deny it. There’s too much evidence. The question is did I make it from original film? And the simple
answer to that is no. There was never any original film other than the tent footage. I’ve never seen any other film. Ray
maintains that he’s got original film. My question to Ray is how would that film marry with what I made? It can’t. I
haven’t actually seen the film. Now you may say, “Maybe you’re lying and you did see the film and you made it.”
The story’s a bigger story if there was a real film. There would be more money in it. There wouldn’t be a reason for me
and Ray to be parted. Why would we fall out? The common sense has got to come into the argument. I’m part of
something as big as real film of a real alien. Why would I jeopardise being part of that and go off on my own? There’s
no reason to. That’s the first thing.
The second thing. I promise you, something happened in Roswell. I’m not an easy person… I’m a sceptic. I’m not an
easy person to convince. Thirty people that I talked to out there, clever people, doctors, lecturers, all sorts of people
tell me they saw something. And I believe them. Something happened. A lot of ordinary people. Something happened.
So, I don’t think there’s dispute about whether or not something happened in Roswell or other sightings or whether or
not everything’s fake. No, I don’t think everything’s fake. I do know this is. I also know that if Ray had original film, he’
d be jumping through hoops to let you test it. I’m sorry, but that’s what you would do. You would say, “Give me
billions of pounds for this.” That’s what you would say. You would say, “I’ve got nothing to worry about. The
cameraman doesn’t want to speak, but look at the film.” That’s what you’d do! That’s what you would do.
PM: Say no more.
[END OF INTERVIEW]
According to Melaris, Ray Santilli was put under a lot of pressure by various parties to arrange an interview with the
fictitious cameraman he allegedly bought the film from. Of course according to Melaris there was no such person so he
came up with the idea of creating this aspect of the whole affair as well. The basic scenario is that Melaris flew to Los
Angeles and met up with Santilli’s partner Gary Shoefield. Melaris wanted to find an eighty year old tramp on the
streets of L.A. Pay him a few hundred dollars, put him in front of a camera and ask him to read from a script. Santilli
and Shoefield were nervous, and not sure this would work but Spyros was confident he could pull this off, and went
ahead. He found an old guy living rough on the street, offered him $500 and a night in the hotel and he duly agreed.
Again, by pure chance the chap had been an actor many years ago. Melaris took his name and the name of a movie he
had appeared in. These details will be released in his book. He cleaned him up, gave him a shave, added a bit of make
up and a false prosthetic nose and chin and the job was done. The man himself did not know what he was reading or
where it was going to be used. There was little chance that he would see the broadcast either. No one would recognise
him in a thousand years. And they never did. This film was delivered in person in New York to US TV producer Bob
Kiviat by Gary Shoefield and a man claiming to be the cameraman’s son. Eventually the film in question was broadcast
on TV in Japan only and from there it was copied and distributed to UFO researchers around the world. The trick
worked, no one has identified the man in question, and Melaris claims he is the only one who can do this.
The Crash Site
There are a number of people who believe the alien autopsy film is authentic, not because of the film itself but because
of the crash site. Ray Santilli released details, supposedly from his cameraman, as to where the incident took place in
the desert. How did this come about? Well, according to Spyros this was quite simple. In l995 he flew to Roswell. Here
he interviewed many local people including Loretta Proctor. Mrs. Proctor was the neighbour of rancher Mac Brazel and it
was she who suggested that Mac take some of the UFO debris into town after he found it. Spyros also met and hired
private pilot Rodney Corn. He asked corn to fly him over the UFO crash site, to which he replied “which one.” There are
in fact at least three such sites. So, Spyros flew over all three of them, filming as he went. Rodney Corn was able to
show Spyros a great deal from the air, far better than would have been possible on foot. This included small dirt roads
and long forgotten landmarks. Before the interview took place Spyros also informed me that he obtained both old and
new maps of the area. All of this information was handed to Ray Santilli and it was Santilli, not Spyros, who then put it
all together to make a location for a nonexistent crash site.
The Grand Plan
I asked Spyros what was the grand plan. The research was done, the film was made, so what next. Apparently it was a
rather simple plan. To release the film to a broadcaster, ask them to investigate and see what happens. They were
confident that it would not be exposed as a fake. Then, after a few months the plan was to hold their hands up and tell
all. The reason this didn’t happen was money. Spyros had signed a confidentiality agreement with Ray Santilli and
Santilli was still adamant that he needed to recoup his initial investment allegedly paid for the tent footage. Santilli told
Melaris that he had invested a lot of money on this film and he must re coup that before they were to go public. Santilli
reminded Spyros that he was bound by the confidentiality agreement and he was not to say or do anything until
Santilli said so. Apart from a cheque for about £10,000, which Spyros split with his team, no royalties were ever paid.
Santilli told him that due to the fact that he had stated publicly that it was a military film, that it had simply been copied
by third parties without permission and used without payment as the people who were using the film believed that the
copyright was vested with the US Military and not with Santilli. Eventually time went on and Spyros just got on with
life. He was constantly working on other projects with Santilli and earning a living and the alien autopsy film was all but
forgotten.
Going Public
The one thing that I first asked Spyros was why was it that he had decided to go public with this information now. It
was twelve years since the alien autopsy film hit the headlines. Melaris stuck to his confidentiality agreement. From a
legal point of view if he broke it he could have been sued. However, in 2005 he was approached by Santilli and
Shoefield to be involved in the movie version of this whole affair. He asked both if they would now tell the true story
and reveal that it was all a fake but they said no, they were going to maintain that they really did have original film.
Again Santilli and Shoefield stated that there was no money in it and that they were doing it for “a bit of fun” when
pressed they admitted that both Santilli and Shoefield would get paid a percentage of the profits, there was no such
offer for Melaris. Melaris declined their offer. He left that meeting under the impression that the movie was not going to
be made. However, the movie was made and distributed by Warner Bros and so Melaris felt that he was now able to
speak as the story was now in the public domain.
The Doubters
To round off the interview I asked Spyros Melaris what he had to say to the doubters out there, those that believe the
alien autopsy film is the genuine article. I’m not going to paraphrase this; instead I will use his words in full:
PM: Time’s against us, Spyros. I’ll ask one last question. There are those out there who believe in this film and Santilli
100% and they think that you’re some kind of pathological liar, playing devil’s advocate here, so please don’t be
offended.
SM: No. Go ahead.
PM: What would you say if you could say one thing to the doubters out there? Is there any one thing that you can say
that would say to them Spyros Melaris is who he says he is and has made this film?
SM: I don’t think that there’s any doubt that somebody made it today. That’s fair to say that somebody made the film
and even Santilli said it’s a fake, but it was made from original film. I think that’s really the question. The question isn’t
whether I made it because I can prove I made it. John Humphries will tell you I made it. Ray would probably tell you I
made it! He couldn’t deny it. There’s too much evidence. The question is did I make it from original film? And the simple
answer to that is no. There was never any original film other than the tent footage. I’ve never seen any other film. Ray
maintains that he’s got original film. My question to Ray is how would that film marry with what I made? It can’t. I
haven’t actually seen the film. Now you may say, “Maybe you’re lying and you did see the film and you made it.”
The story’s a bigger story if there was a real film. There would be more money in it. There wouldn’t be a reason for me
and Ray to be parted. Why would we fall out? The common sense has got to come into the argument. I’m part of
something as big as real film of a real alien. Why would I jeopardise being part of that and go off on my own? There’s
no reason to. That’s the first thing.
The second thing. I promise you, something happened in Roswell. I’m not an easy person… I’m a sceptic. I’m not an
easy person to convince. Thirty people that I talked to out there, clever people, doctors, lecturers, all sorts of people
tell me they saw something. And I believe them. Something happened. A lot of ordinary people. Something happened.
So, I don’t think there’s dispute about whether or not something happened in Roswell or other sightings or whether or
not everything’s fake. No, I don’t think everything’s fake. I do know this is. I also know that if Ray had original film, he’
d be jumping through hoops to let you test it. I’m sorry, but that’s what you would do. You would say, “Give me
billions of pounds for this.” That’s what you would say. You would say, “I’ve got nothing to worry about. The
cameraman doesn’t want to speak, but look at the film.” That’s what you’d do! That’s what you would do.
PM: Say no more.
[END OF INTERVIEW]
Once again I would like to reiterate that this is only part of what Spyros Melaris had to tell me. The full-unedited
interview can be found in the alien autopsy section of our web site at:
http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/index.html
Checking The Facts
So how do we check that what Spyros Melaris is telling us is correct? It is no easy task I can assure you. The
documentary material shown to me by Spyros is intriguing but not proof positive. My colleague Mark Center in the USA
checked the private pilot Rodney Corn for me and he does exist. Mark spoke to him on the phone but he has no
recollection of being hired by Spyros Melaris. This could be because he was hired by Geraldine, and we are talking about
an event which happened over 12 years ago.
interview can be found in the alien autopsy section of our web site at:
http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/index.html
Checking The Facts
So how do we check that what Spyros Melaris is telling us is correct? It is no easy task I can assure you. The
documentary material shown to me by Spyros is intriguing but not proof positive. My colleague Mark Center in the USA
checked the private pilot Rodney Corn for me and he does exist. Mark spoke to him on the phone but he has no
recollection of being hired by Spyros Melaris. This could be because he was hired by Geraldine, and we are talking about
an event which happened over 12 years ago.
At the UFO DATA conference in October 2007 was German researcher Michael Hesemann. Michael was also one of the
speakers that weekend. Michael investigated the alien autopsy film from l995 through to l997 and believes it to be
authentic. After the conference when Michael was back home in Germany he sent me an email that quite frankly left me
stunned. He admitted for the first time that in l996 someone sent Michael an email telling him that Spyros Melaris was
the hoaxer. Hesemann had never shared this information with anyone. I asked him what he did with it and he simply
told me that he phoned Ray Santilli and asked him if he knew this man to which Santilli replied he did not. Michael told
me he left it at that. However, Spyros Melaris independently informed me that in l996 he had received a phone call from
someone with a German accent asking him if he was the hoaxer and he of course denied it. He did not know who the
caller was until he met Hesemann at our conference. I pressed Michael about this and eventually he admitted he did
phone Spyros back in l996. Why Michael Hesemann never shared this information with anyone else is beyond me. In his
defence Michael has stated that there were others mentioned at the time and he did not want to spread false rumours,
but these others names were circulated and eliminated. I have to be honest and say here and now that I cannot
understand why Hesemann sat on this information and never told anyone. I leave it to you to make up your own mind.
A colleague of mine who is a veteran TV and movie special effects artist also took a look at the interview with Spyros. In
his considered opinion the techniques and materials used by Melaris and his team to make the fake alien creature are
100% correct. There is no question in his mind that the dummies were made in the way described. He does have a few
questions he’d like to ask, but these are purely little points of clarification and there is nothing wrong with what Melaris
has had to say.
The other main person involved in all of this is of course US TV producer Bob Kiviat. Several years back my colleague
Tim Mathews and I were tipped off about John Humphreys, Humphreys was part of the team and he made the
dummies. Bob tried for years to get Humphreys on camera and make a TV documentary but all to no avail. Eventually
Bob did make a TV show for Channel 5 but without Humphreys in it. This was never broadcast. Both Humphreys and
Melaris have spoken at length to Bob Kiviat about their involvement in this whole affair so I took the opportunity to ask
Bob a few questions on December 4th 2007. This mini question and answer session is reproduced here in full:
Q: How many times did you speak with UK sculptor John Humphreys?
A: Once before the Ant & Dec movie came out. In approximately 2003. Once after that.
Q: Did Humphreys tell you on what he based the design for his alien creatures?
A: Yes, just on his own research, books and such. No other help.
Q: Did Humphreys ever see any original film, stills or otherwise?
A: No, never. He claimed it all came from his creative efforts and book research.
Q: During your conversations with Humphreys did he ever mention the name Spyros Melaris?
A: Yes. He said Spyros was the one who hired him for Santilli, who he met perhaps twice and came to the set once. All
the money came through Spyros. Also, Spyros was the cameraman.
Q: Did Humphreys provide the names of anyone else involved. If yes what are those names?
A: No other names.
Q: Why was Humphreys looking to work with you on a documentary?
A: Yes, Humphreys wanted me to get him a network TV show based on his revelations that he made the autopsy
footage, with Spyros acting as money man and cameraman, who he believed was working for Santilli.
Q: Was Humphreys going to tell all and sink the stories put out by Ray Santilli?
A: Yes, but until I got a commitment from a TV network and guaranteed money for his exclusive he kept much close to
his chest.
Q: Did you speak to Humphreys agent/advisor?
A: Yes, his business manager was my main contact for all of 2003 and 2004, and it was he who informed me John was
going to do the Ant & Dec movie, without giving me the details. There would also be a companion documentary “that
would be my worst nightmare,” he said.
Q: If you did, what did he tell you about Humphreys involvement and reasons for wanting to spill the beans?
A: Instead of Humphreys spilling the beans to me, his manager clearly implied John had lost patience and saw a payday
elsewhere – the movie, etc.
Q: You made a TV documentary for Channel 5 in 2006 in which I appeared, could you tell us why it was never
broadcast?
Channel 5 was rushing instructions to my productions offices in L.A. from England telling me how the show needed to
be styled, and they also wanted to move the airdate up to an almost impossible deadline. We were working around the
clock already to appease the Channel 5 executive in charge when one of the top people at FIVE actually listed the show
in a TV guide of some sort. That’s when Gary Shoefield contacted FIVE and falsely claimed Ray Santilli was involved in
the ownership of my original Fox show, which the new FIVE show was jumping off from. It was an outright fabrication,
for my company has the only US copyright to the show AND THE ALIEN AUTOPSY FOOTAGE ITSELF! While we were
sorting through this false claim, we interviewed you. When the FIVE executives saw you naming Humphreys as the guy
who made the dummy and who was the key pro behind the footage, they wanted confirmation so they ILLEGALLY
contacted Humphreys through a consulting producer. Humphreys freaked out, told them he wanted nothing to do with
the FIVE show and said he had to contact Warner Bros. Ultimately FIVE reneged on their agreement with my
distributor, my distributor did not fight for the airing, and this is how things were left. I’m still debating what course of
action I can take to recover my substantial losses and DAMAGE!
Q: You have spoken on the telephone at length with Spyros Melaris. Are you convinced he is telling the truth?
A: For the most part, I can’t find any outlandish things that make his story unbelievable. But I do wonder how he could
have been so naïve about the amount of money Santilli was making around the world. This part seems odd, as if he was
playing dumb. On the contrary, he seems very bright. And if Ray gave him just enough work to keep him quiet
afterward, I still wonder why he let all the other money go into Ray’s pocket without him demanding his share. This
doesn’t add up, literally, pound for pound.
Q: You have been involved with the Alien Autopsy film since 1995, you have interviewed or spoken to most if not all the
main players in it all, so what now is your conclusion?
A: I’m going to need more time to answer that question. Spryros’ actions or non actions in court will have a lot to do
with this, and I’m looking into another intriguing angle that could impact my conclusions.
Robert Kiviat. End of interview.
It is clear from this brief interview with Bob Kiviat that there are slight differences between what John Humphreys says
about his role in the faking of the film and what Melaris says. However, Humphreys does state quite clearly that it was
Spyros Melaris who was the money man it was Melaris who hired him on behalf of Santilli. Humphreys also confirms
without any doubt that there never was any original film. It was a complete and utter fabrication.
I could go on but I think I’ve made my point. In l996 Spyros Melaris was outlined as the hoaxer to German researcher
Michael Hesemann. In 2003 US TV producer Bob Kiviat spoke with UK sculptor John Humphreys who confirmed that
Spyros was the man in charge and that there was no original film. In 2007 Spyros Melaris goes on the record for the
first time and tells how it was all made. Well, perhaps not all. Spyros is holding back certain things for his book, which
will be available in early 2008. And as for Ray Santilli, well he’s pretty quiet at the moment but I doubt if he will ever own
up as he is quite simply in it too deep.
The long awaited book by Spyros Melaris ‘ALIEN AUTOPSY: The Myth Exposed’ comes with an accompanying DVD.
If you are interested in obtaining a copy of the book it is available February 2008, advanced orders can be placed with
DIGInet UK Publications, P.O. Box 60908, London W12 7UT or from Amazon. E-mail orders should be sent to
AATrueStory@DIGInetUK.com
speakers that weekend. Michael investigated the alien autopsy film from l995 through to l997 and believes it to be
authentic. After the conference when Michael was back home in Germany he sent me an email that quite frankly left me
stunned. He admitted for the first time that in l996 someone sent Michael an email telling him that Spyros Melaris was
the hoaxer. Hesemann had never shared this information with anyone. I asked him what he did with it and he simply
told me that he phoned Ray Santilli and asked him if he knew this man to which Santilli replied he did not. Michael told
me he left it at that. However, Spyros Melaris independently informed me that in l996 he had received a phone call from
someone with a German accent asking him if he was the hoaxer and he of course denied it. He did not know who the
caller was until he met Hesemann at our conference. I pressed Michael about this and eventually he admitted he did
phone Spyros back in l996. Why Michael Hesemann never shared this information with anyone else is beyond me. In his
defence Michael has stated that there were others mentioned at the time and he did not want to spread false rumours,
but these others names were circulated and eliminated. I have to be honest and say here and now that I cannot
understand why Hesemann sat on this information and never told anyone. I leave it to you to make up your own mind.
A colleague of mine who is a veteran TV and movie special effects artist also took a look at the interview with Spyros. In
his considered opinion the techniques and materials used by Melaris and his team to make the fake alien creature are
100% correct. There is no question in his mind that the dummies were made in the way described. He does have a few
questions he’d like to ask, but these are purely little points of clarification and there is nothing wrong with what Melaris
has had to say.
The other main person involved in all of this is of course US TV producer Bob Kiviat. Several years back my colleague
Tim Mathews and I were tipped off about John Humphreys, Humphreys was part of the team and he made the
dummies. Bob tried for years to get Humphreys on camera and make a TV documentary but all to no avail. Eventually
Bob did make a TV show for Channel 5 but without Humphreys in it. This was never broadcast. Both Humphreys and
Melaris have spoken at length to Bob Kiviat about their involvement in this whole affair so I took the opportunity to ask
Bob a few questions on December 4th 2007. This mini question and answer session is reproduced here in full:
Q: How many times did you speak with UK sculptor John Humphreys?
A: Once before the Ant & Dec movie came out. In approximately 2003. Once after that.
Q: Did Humphreys tell you on what he based the design for his alien creatures?
A: Yes, just on his own research, books and such. No other help.
Q: Did Humphreys ever see any original film, stills or otherwise?
A: No, never. He claimed it all came from his creative efforts and book research.
Q: During your conversations with Humphreys did he ever mention the name Spyros Melaris?
A: Yes. He said Spyros was the one who hired him for Santilli, who he met perhaps twice and came to the set once. All
the money came through Spyros. Also, Spyros was the cameraman.
Q: Did Humphreys provide the names of anyone else involved. If yes what are those names?
A: No other names.
Q: Why was Humphreys looking to work with you on a documentary?
A: Yes, Humphreys wanted me to get him a network TV show based on his revelations that he made the autopsy
footage, with Spyros acting as money man and cameraman, who he believed was working for Santilli.
Q: Was Humphreys going to tell all and sink the stories put out by Ray Santilli?
A: Yes, but until I got a commitment from a TV network and guaranteed money for his exclusive he kept much close to
his chest.
Q: Did you speak to Humphreys agent/advisor?
A: Yes, his business manager was my main contact for all of 2003 and 2004, and it was he who informed me John was
going to do the Ant & Dec movie, without giving me the details. There would also be a companion documentary “that
would be my worst nightmare,” he said.
Q: If you did, what did he tell you about Humphreys involvement and reasons for wanting to spill the beans?
A: Instead of Humphreys spilling the beans to me, his manager clearly implied John had lost patience and saw a payday
elsewhere – the movie, etc.
Q: You made a TV documentary for Channel 5 in 2006 in which I appeared, could you tell us why it was never
broadcast?
Channel 5 was rushing instructions to my productions offices in L.A. from England telling me how the show needed to
be styled, and they also wanted to move the airdate up to an almost impossible deadline. We were working around the
clock already to appease the Channel 5 executive in charge when one of the top people at FIVE actually listed the show
in a TV guide of some sort. That’s when Gary Shoefield contacted FIVE and falsely claimed Ray Santilli was involved in
the ownership of my original Fox show, which the new FIVE show was jumping off from. It was an outright fabrication,
for my company has the only US copyright to the show AND THE ALIEN AUTOPSY FOOTAGE ITSELF! While we were
sorting through this false claim, we interviewed you. When the FIVE executives saw you naming Humphreys as the guy
who made the dummy and who was the key pro behind the footage, they wanted confirmation so they ILLEGALLY
contacted Humphreys through a consulting producer. Humphreys freaked out, told them he wanted nothing to do with
the FIVE show and said he had to contact Warner Bros. Ultimately FIVE reneged on their agreement with my
distributor, my distributor did not fight for the airing, and this is how things were left. I’m still debating what course of
action I can take to recover my substantial losses and DAMAGE!
Q: You have spoken on the telephone at length with Spyros Melaris. Are you convinced he is telling the truth?
A: For the most part, I can’t find any outlandish things that make his story unbelievable. But I do wonder how he could
have been so naïve about the amount of money Santilli was making around the world. This part seems odd, as if he was
playing dumb. On the contrary, he seems very bright. And if Ray gave him just enough work to keep him quiet
afterward, I still wonder why he let all the other money go into Ray’s pocket without him demanding his share. This
doesn’t add up, literally, pound for pound.
Q: You have been involved with the Alien Autopsy film since 1995, you have interviewed or spoken to most if not all the
main players in it all, so what now is your conclusion?
A: I’m going to need more time to answer that question. Spryros’ actions or non actions in court will have a lot to do
with this, and I’m looking into another intriguing angle that could impact my conclusions.
Robert Kiviat. End of interview.
It is clear from this brief interview with Bob Kiviat that there are slight differences between what John Humphreys says
about his role in the faking of the film and what Melaris says. However, Humphreys does state quite clearly that it was
Spyros Melaris who was the money man it was Melaris who hired him on behalf of Santilli. Humphreys also confirms
without any doubt that there never was any original film. It was a complete and utter fabrication.
I could go on but I think I’ve made my point. In l996 Spyros Melaris was outlined as the hoaxer to German researcher
Michael Hesemann. In 2003 US TV producer Bob Kiviat spoke with UK sculptor John Humphreys who confirmed that
Spyros was the man in charge and that there was no original film. In 2007 Spyros Melaris goes on the record for the
first time and tells how it was all made. Well, perhaps not all. Spyros is holding back certain things for his book, which
will be available in early 2008. And as for Ray Santilli, well he’s pretty quiet at the moment but I doubt if he will ever own
up as he is quite simply in it too deep.
The long awaited book by Spyros Melaris ‘ALIEN AUTOPSY: The Myth Exposed’ comes with an accompanying DVD.
If you are interested in obtaining a copy of the book it is available February 2008, advanced orders can be placed with
DIGInet UK Publications, P.O. Box 60908, London W12 7UT or from Amazon. E-mail orders should be sent to
AATrueStory@DIGInetUK.com
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